Dale & Leilani Neumann: The Wages of Stupid

WE previously visited the ghoulish tale of Dale & Leilani when we posted Damn You! Damn You All To Hell!

We reported that Leilani Neumann was convicted of second-degree reckless homicide for praying while her 11-year-old daughter slowly suffered and died. Expert testimony established that the dead girl’s condition was entirely treatable if only the parents had availed themselves of a visit to a doctor.

Today, it is with considerable satisfaction that we bring you some excerpts from Dad Who Prayed for Sick Girl Found Guilty in Her Death, which appears at the Fox News website. The bold font was added by us:

A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.

A proper result. Let’s read on:

Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn’t walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family’s rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed.

An example of family values? In some families, yes. We continue:

Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.

“If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God,” Neumann testified. “I am not believing what he said he would do.”

We can’t find it in the news articles we’ve scanned, but we have no doubt that Dale & Leilani are creationists. We recognize the mentality. [Addendum: Yes, it’s almost certain that they’re creationists. According to the Wikipedia entry on Pentecostalism: “Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.”]

Here’s more from the Fox article:

Assistant District Attorney LaMont Jacobson told jurors in closing arguments Friday that Neumann was “overwhelmed by pride” in his interpretation of the Bible and selfishly let Madeline die as a test of faith.

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[Defense attorney Jay] Kronenwetter told the jury that Neumann sincerely believed praying would heal his daughter and he did nothing criminally wrong. “Dale Neumann was doing what he thought would work for his daughter,” Kronenwetter said. “He was administering faith healing. He thought it was working.”

That’s all we can handle of this. Click over to Fox and read the rest if you like. After that, contemplate what life was like back in the Dark Ages, when everyone thought like Dale & Leilani. Then ponder the purposes of the creationists who want to suppress reason, science, and freedom so they can bring back those Good Old Days.

We’re addressing this to the creationists in Seattle and elsewhere who spread the lie that Darwin is responsible for all the evil in the world. You know who you are. Here’s our message: That little girl didn’t die because of “Darwinism.” It was your teachings, your “theories” and your “science” that were the murder weapons. Have a nice day.

Update: See Freak Sentence for Dale & Leilani Neumann.

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8 responses to “Dale & Leilani Neumann: The Wages of Stupid

  1. Well put, Curmy. Your little piece here cuts right to the heart of what those black-hearted bastards in Seattle have as their ultimate goal: a cowed and ignorant population governed by bible thumping theocrats.

  2. Excellent essay — but how I wish the Discoveroids would respond to your message.

    (Their published contact e-mail address, btw, is cscinfo@discovery.org )

  3. Curmudgeon wrote: “We’re addressing this to the creationists in Seattle and elsewhere who spread the lie that Darwin is responsible for all the evil in the world.”

    If by “creationists in Seattle” you mean the DI, my guess (based on the Freshwater case) is that they will not volunteer any comment on this case, and if pressed will refuse to say if they think the parents’ actions were morally right or wrong.

    As for the creationists who will defend the parents, I’d like to hear their spin on how this is not a “retroactive abortion.”

  4. Great Claw says: “… how I wish the Discoveroids would respond to your message.”

    I suspect they’ll never acknowledge my existence, because doing so would cause some of their fans to read what we say here. I know them for what they are and I’m always delighted to expose them. They claim to be battling the forces of atheism and leftism, yet here I am — nothing like their comic-book stereotypical enemy. I’m one of the few genuine conservatives in this game, because I want to conserve the principles of the American Revolution and the values of the Enlightenment.

  5. As an academic exercise, consider if there’s any circumstance where this behavior is NOT criminal.

    The best I can come up with is if the parents lived in some isolated “Dog Patch”-like community in the Valley of Ignorance, and had no knowledge of modern medicine, and technology, one could argue they did all they knew to do for the girl.

    Similarly, one would assume cave-men tens of thousands of years ago behaved similarly, again out of sheer ignorance that there was anything to do other than chant over the sick girl, shrieking “ooook-ooook!” as they supplicated their fire god to cure the girl, to no avail.

    But in the extant case we have people who may also be ignorant, but their ignorance is WILLFUL. It is entirely within their control to go see modern medical “miracles” performed every day at local hospitals.

    These people CHOSE to ignore them; they CHOSE to believe they were an afront to God, and they CHOSE to ignore those potential benefits for their daughter. And she paid with her life.

    Ignorance is a sad thing, but willful ignorance is nothing but evil.

    A pox upon the houses of the Purveyors of Unknowledge.

  6. Longie says: “As an academic exercise, consider if there’s any circumstance where this behavior is NOT criminal.”

    It’ll be interesting to see how the judge sentences them. I know virtually nothing about such matters, but I imagine that the factors that might favor some mitigation — other than having no prior convictions — would be that they had some kind of diminished capacity that prevented them from knowing what was going on. But my guess is that insanity is the one thing their lawyers didn’t raise, so the judge has to sentence them as if they were fully competent to know what they were doing. Religion can’t be a mitigating factor, because then almost everyone would claim it. My guess is that these two could get the maximum for first-time offenders.

  7. “Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.

    ‘“If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God,” Neumann testified. “I am not believing what he said he would do.”’

    It’s not possible that God’s chosen method to heal could be called “the doctor.”

  8. Gumlegs, good to see you!