Is Creationism Racist? You Decide!

WE have been criticized in the past for pointing out the racist motivation behind “creation science,” but we’ve never found any persuasive evidence that would change our opinion. The last time we addressed the issue was here: Creationism and Racism.

Today we bring you some further evidence from the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom. They have this new article at their website: Canadian Philosopher Insists ‘We Are All African!’ Here are some excerpts, with bold added by us:

Philosopher and secular humanist Christopher diCarlo claims that if humans trace their lineages far enough back in time, they will all have an African origin. He has been spreading his “We Are All African!” message on a cross-Canadian tour. However, the science behind diCarlo’s version of history leaves plenty of room for skepticism.

We can understand why ICR wouldn’t like diCarlo. Here’s his website: Christopher diCarlo, and he’s mentioned in this Wikipedia article: Humanist Canada. Let’s read on in the ICR article:

DiCarlo figured that if no group has any special status, all humans can embrace their evolutionary origins and be freed of the “hatred, violence, and bloodshed” that such beliefs foster. Of course, even if scientific studies show that all people are biologically the same, this does not logically justify his “no special status” claim. God can choose certain people, and that makes them special — unless it is first assumed that there is no God.

Are we reading that correctly — ICR says that belief in God can justify the belief that some people have a “special status”? We continue:

In an article appearing in “Free Inquiry,” a publication of the Council for Secular Humanism, diCarlo attempted to present evidence in support of his “out of Africa” theory. He claimed that African fossil discoveries catalog a history of part-man/part-ape creatures that walked upright, specifically naming the “Lucy” and “Toumai” fossil forms as examples. But he ignored clear scientific evidence that shows that Lucy was not in mankind’s lineage, and was not even an upright walker.

Ah yes — that blasphemous “out of Africa” theory so detested by young-earth-creationists. ICR then nit-picks at the biological evidence, which we’ll skip. Then they say:

[The fossils mentioned by diCarlo] do not line up in any evolutionary ancestor-descendant relationship and thus provide no clear support for evolution. Instead, they are more accurately interpreted as varieties of mankind who all lived at the same time, which is consistent with the Bible’s historical account of man having been created specially and recently.

Here’s how the ICR article ends:

DiCarlo admonished his readers: “So we must accept that evolutionary theory about human origins is a responsible means for establishing scientific facts about who we are and where we came from.” But since this acceptance of evolution relies on misrepresenting data, excluding contrary data, substituting stories for evidence, and name games, it is exactly the opposite of “responsible” science.

Yes, science “relies on misrepresenting data,” and “excluding contrary data.” Those are things that creationists would never do. Therefore, creationists can reject that detestable “out of Africa” theory and may continue to believe they’re special — and not related to … them!

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24 responses to “Is Creationism Racist? You Decide!

  1. Gabriel Hanna

    Where in the Bible does it say that black people, or anybody else, are not descended from Adam and Eve?

    Where do you find ANYONE at Answers in Genesis saying that?

    You never have. All you have ever presented is quotes from OTHER people accusing them of believing this without any evidence.

    The “chosen people” that the AIG article is talking about are Jews–its says so EXPLICITLY.

    There is NOTHING in the article that says the writer thinks that any human are unrelated to others.

    I like what you do, but you don’t a license to quote-mine like Klinghoffer.

    Let me show you ANOTHER AIG article, LINKED TO FROM THIS ONE:

    http://www.icr.org/mitochondrial-eve/

    “All People Descended Recently from a Single Family ”

    The Garden of Eden is supposed to have been in the Middle East, not Africa–this is the source of their objection. You have no evidence

  2. I like that “varieties of mankind who all lived at the same time” quote. I guess some of “us” were just smaller brained that other of “us.” I vote for the ICR members being among the “small brained” of us. Small brains, small craniums; just right to have your head so far up your @$$ that you need a glass navel to see out.

  3. Gabriel Hanna (in one of his moods) asks:

    Where in the Bible does it say that black people, or anybody else, are not descended from Adam and Eve?

    Ask people like William Jennings Bryan and his Klan supporters.

  4. Gabriel Hanna

    William Jennings Bryan and his Klan supporters have been dead for nearly a century. AIG explicitly says that all humans are descended from Adma and Eve. That doesn’t mean they can’t be racists, but they do not believe what you accuse them of believing and you are unjust to say so.

  5. “The Garden of Eden is supposed to have been in the Middle East, not Africa…”
    That’s a common misconception. AIG says, “Contrary to popular belief, then, the Garden of Eden was not in Iraq. It was destroyed by the global Flood, and so its actual location under piles of sediment can never be known. For that matter, the original Garden could have been on the other side of the world!” ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1021eden.asp )

    John Morris, President of ICR says, “The Bible describes the area around the Garden in Genesis 2, even using recognizable place names such as Ethiopia.”…”Without a doubt, the Tigris-Euphrates River Valley plays a unique role in Biblical history, but was it the location of the Garden of Eden? I think not.”…”In short, the geography and descriptions don’t match.”…”Noah and his family would have encountered the present-day Tigris and Euphrates Rivers soon after leaving the Ark. As their descendants migrated, they would give familiar names to the new rivers and places.” ( http://www.icr.org/articles/view/1208/307/ )

    Basically, ‘The Flood’ destroyed everything, including Eden and no one knows where it was originally located.

  6. Gabriel Hanna says:

    … but they do not believe what you accuse them of believing and you are unjust to say so.

    When the creationists stop accusing Darwin of racism, and when they stop trying to tie evolution to Hitler, etc., then I’ll consider what you suggest. Until then, no justice, no peace!

  7. Gabriel Hanna

    One thing I have said to Klinghoffer and his fellow travelers, over and over, is “if the truth is on your side, why do you have to lie”?

    I don’t like the thought of having to say this to you.

    They misrepresent science, they lie about what biologists and historical figures have said and what they think. They lie about evidence and they lie about natural laws. If they were just nuts who believed in something crazy, I wouldn’t care; it’s that they are dishonest.

    I can’t use these tactics and be true to my principles.

  8. Gabriel Hanna says: “I can’t use these tactics and be true to my principles.”

    Most admirable. And I can’t ignore the historical reality of Bryan and his ilk. I’ll consider overlooking it when they stop lying.

  9. Seems odd to me that they are both arguing essentially the same thing, that mankind arose from a single source. DiCarlo says we all have an African origin and ICR says we all came from Noah’s family. They’re just quibbling over the details.

    As for racism, I get tired of hearing that ‘Darwinism’ leads to it. Christianity has a much longer history of supporting what may be considered racist policies. Considering racism nowadays, that’s a very touchy subject. Except for white supremist groups, it is pretty much considered taboo to be overtly racist, so it has gone underground, so to speak. Accusations of racism have become both too easy to claim and too hard to prove. The slightest slip of the tongue or the vaguest appearance of racial preference can cause a torrent of childish bickering. It’s like watching kids yelling at each other, “I am not!”, “You are so!” Ultimately, it’s not very productive.

    Actually, I think the overt racism of the past has been redirected into the overt gay-bashing of the present. Gays have started to be socially acceptable but, especially with their push to get the right to marry, gays have gotten in the face of those who consider homosexuality a sin and abnormal. The response hasn’t been much different from when blacks started to push for civil rights.

  10. Gabriel, IMO Curmie’s tactic is a turnaround of the analogous, but far more extreme, Creationist tactic. Its intention is to demonstrate the types of flaws embodied in such tactics.

  11. Good point rubble.

  12. Gabriel Hanna

    DiCarlo says we all have an African origin and ICR says we all came from Noah’s family. They’re just quibbling over the details…Accusations of racism have become both too easy to claim and too hard to prove. The slightest slip of the tongue or the vaguest appearance of racial preference can cause a torrent of childish bickering. It’s like watching kids yelling at each other, “I am not!”, “You are so!” Ultimately, it’s not very productive.

    I have to agree with all of this.

    Gays have started to be socially acceptable but, especially with their push to get the right to marry, gays have gotten in the face of those who consider homosexuality a sin and abnormal. The response hasn’t been much different from when blacks started to push for civil rights.

    Except for police setting dogs on them, using fire hoses and truncheons, and arresting them when they don’t ride in the back of the bus, and being murdered and lynched with the complicity of law enforcement… as Jules said, it’s not in the same league or even the same sport. It’s been pretty different.

    Gabriel, IMO Curmie’s tactic is a turnaround of the analogous, but far more extreme, Creationist tactic. Its intention is to demonstrate the types of flaws embodied in such tactics.

    You can do that without perpetrating the tactics yourself. Acting just like they do plays into their hands.

  13. Gabriel says, “I have to agree with all of this.” LOL! Damn, a rarity! Gabriel & I agreeing on something? What is the world coming to?

    re gays: “Except for police setting dogs on them…It’s been pretty different.”
    Yeah, to an extent. The police HAVE learned something in the years since the civil rights for blacks era. Then there are episodes like this: “Police Raid Gay Bar in Atlanta on Account of Because.” ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-alvear/stonewall-2009-police-rai_b_286649.html ) “Fort Worth Police Chief: That Faggot Had It Coming” ( http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/30/fort-worth-police-chief-that-faggot-had-it-coming ) and others that I’m not going to list. Not to mention people who are beat up or murdered because they are gay. The big difference is that is harder to detect who is gay than who is black.

  14. Gabriel Hanna

    Yeah, to an extent. The police HAVE learned something in the years since the civil rights for blacks era.

    Yeah, there are epsiodes. It is not institutionalized, as it was all over the South. But we are getting way off topic.

    We agree on a lot of things, really, or we wouldn’t both be here.

  15. But it wouldn’t be as much fun if we didn’t disagree sometimes ;)

  16. If you want creationism and racism, try reading this.

  17. “God can choose certain people, and that makes them special”

    This is the basic argument used by:

    Crusaders to justify the Jerusalem massacres (Let god sort them out…);

    The Catholics during the ST Bartholemews Day Massacre

    The Inquisition to justify burning the pesky Conversos

    The Mormons to commit their genocidal acts such as the Mountain Meadows Massacre

    The Nazis as they herded Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Homosexuals, Socialists and the Disabled to their deaths;

    The Australians to justify their anti-Aboriginal racism, mirrored in New Zealand by the colonists there and the Pacific Islands….

    The Ottomans to justify massacres of Armenians

    and on and on and on.

    The last time I heard a variant was at a war crimes investigation site in Kosovo.

    Is Creationism Racist…..yes and so are its adherants. The same US churches who resisted emancipating slaves, awarding them equal rights, and allowing inter race marriage.

    Your nation was birthed on slavery and religious fuelled prejudice by filthy f****g faith and hate filled Seekers and Covenanters we expelled….. its our (the Brits) fault. We should have sent more decent honest entrepreneurs and less religious bigots. Theres a lot of things we could have done better…total autonomy, fair trade and no unfair taxation being the main ones.

    I apologise on behalf of Britain ;-)

    I’ll buy you a beer someday to make up.

    Thing is that was over 200 years ago, and we were in much the same boat….riddled with religion and racism.

    We over the pond grew up and threw creationism in the bin about a hundred years ago….

    whats your excuse then?

  18. Gabriel Hanna

    @the_ignored:

    Of course some creationists have been, and some are today, racists; and so have been, and are, some people who accept evolution. Racism looks for excuses, it doesn’t have reasons.

    @Sandman

    ““God can choose certain people, and that makes them special”

    This is the basic argument used by…”

    Yeah, and what was Stalin’s argument? What were the Maoris’ argument for enslaving and massacreing the inhabitants of the Chatham Islands (VERY interesting story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_Islands ). The line between good and evil runs through every human heart.

    Is Creationism Racist…..yes and so are its adherants. The same US churches who resisted emancipating slaves, awarding them equal rights, and allowing inter race marriage.

    Many of the people who worked to achieve all these were Christians and creationists.

    Your nation was birthed on slavery and religious fuelled prejudice by filthy f****g faith and hate filled Seekers and Covenanters we expelled….. its our (the Brits) fault.

    I think “We hold these truths to be self-evident…” and the Bill of Rights had something to do with it as well. America was not founded by angels, but by human beings. Prominent among them were deists and Christians who practiced and preached religious tolerance, as well as the other sort.

    We should have sent more decent honest entrepreneurs and less religious bigots.

    A lot of the religious bigots WERE decent honest entrepreneurs as well.

    Theres a lot of things we could have done better…total autonomy, fair trade and no unfair taxation being the main ones.

    If these things had happened the way you say they should have, there’d bo no “America” at all. There’s be a country called that, but it would be just like Australia, New Zealand, or Canada. And then the modern world’s first experience with republican government would have been the French Revolution; not an inspiring example to emulate. The cause of democratic government might have been set back a hundred years.

    Thing is that was over 200 years ago, and we were in much the same boat….riddled with religion and racism.

    Yes, a Pakistani friend of mine who attended university in London in the Seventies can tell you all about British tolerance of other races and cultures…

    We over the pond grew up and threw creationism in the bin about a hundred years ago….

    Don’t get cocky kid.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4410927/Poll-reveals-public-doubts-over-Charles-Darwins-theory-of-evolution.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/nov/27/controversiesinscience.religion

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7613403.stm

    whats your excuse then?

    Fools, like the poor, we shall always have with us.

  19. Gabriel Hanna

    SC, can you unmoderate me? Too many links and paragraphs.

  20. Gabriel Hanna says:

    SC, can you unmoderate me? Too many links and paragraphs.

    Done. I was away for a couple of hours.

  21. Gabriel Hanna

    You have a life somewhere else?

  22. You think this is a life?

  23. Gabriel Hanna: William Jennings Bryan and his Klan supporters have been dead for nearly a century. AIG explicitly says that all humans are descended from Adma and Eve.

    Bryan is, as you note, long gone but Klan Kreationists are still alive and klucking (unfortunately), and yes many of them deny the common ancestry of the different human races.

    As for the more “mainstream” creationists, the late Dr. Henry Morris (founder of the ICR) said a few questionable things about race as well:

    Yet the prophecy had an obverse side as well. The Hamites [Black Africans, Asians, Polynesians, Native Americans and Australians according to Morris -T.B.] have usually been able to go only so far with their explorations and inventions, and no further. The Japhethites [Europeans -T.B.] and Semites [Jews & Arabs -T.B.] have, sooner of later, taken over their territories and their inventions, then developed and utilized them to their own advantage in accomplishing their own “service” to mankind. Sometimes the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have even become actual slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane, practical matters, they have often eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites. ― Morris, Henry M. (1976) The Genesis Record, p.241 [Emphasis mine]

    Morris denied any racism (claiming that such was evolutionary thinking), but how else can one interpret the idea that blacks are “possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane, practical matters” while whites are blessed with “intellectual and philosophical acumen” other than as racism?

  24. Gabriel Hanna

    @Tony Britain:

    As I said, creationists can be racist. SC says that creationists are racists who are creationist because then they don’t have to believe in the common ancestry of all humans; and this is totally false, at least of creationists like AIG, Henry Morris, and anyone who can read the Bible in English without their lips moving. And you can’t tar all creationists with the beliefs of Klansmen, who are getting pretty thin on the ground these days. Note that the article you linked to made no attempt to find out how many Klansmen exist and what proportion they are of creationists generally.

    SC is making a much, much stronger claim than “creationists are racist” and it is one he knows he has no evidence for.