Rev. David Rives: Why Diversity?

Once again, dear reader, we present another video by the brilliant and articulate leader of David Rives Ministries.

This one is titled Survival of the Fittest. In it, the rev asks a daring question that no evolutionist can answer: If only the fittest survive, then why is there such an obvious diversity of living things? Why don’t the older forms disappear? In effect, he’s asking “Why are there still monkeys?”

It requires less than one and a half minutes to watch the whole thing, and then your life will be forever changed. You don’t want to miss this one!

Click on the video. Do it now … if you have the courage!

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35 responses to “Rev. David Rives: Why Diversity?

  1. So… his answer to why there are still monkeys is that God made them?

  2. This video is appalling. The man just gets more stupid. It almost seems that he just doesn’t care anymore, he isn’t even trying, any rubbish will do for for his audience.

  3. Alex Shuffell

    He can’t have felt good about that video, it was just disappointing

  4. A little warning next time. The video ended just as I was fumbling with the safety cap on the bottle of Drano I wanted to guzzle as a result of sudden exposure to this new-plumbed abyss of inanity.

  5. “It requires less than one and a half minutes to watch the whole thing”

    That’s one and a half minutes of my life that I’m not getting back.

  6. More “keepers” from the reverend whose name I affectionately abbreviate as D. Rivel. The sales pitch at the end of each video assures the saps — er, potential buyers, that the “mysteries of the universe unfold in a manner that is easily understood.” As a marketing tag, that practically screams ‘any moron’ could grasp the rev’s undemanding pearls. The whole spiel concludes with scripture from the Book of Job: (“Great things past finding out, yea, and wonders without number.”)

    Why do I keep watching these things? I’m fascinated and repelled at the same time. The rev is beginning to remind me of Andy Kaufmann’s wide-eyed Latka character. (“Truly de heavens declare de glory of de God. …Denk you very much.”)

  7. retiredsciguy

    It’s not “survival of the fittest”; rather, it’s “enhanced reproduction of the more fit”. Certainly not as catchy, but much more accurate.

    Diversity occurs when an isolated population of a given species faces a different environment from the rest of the species. Some members of the isolated group have traits that are better suited to the new environment, and therefore are better able to reproduce and pass those traits on to their offspring. After many generations of passing along traits that are even better suited to the new environment, enough change may have accrued that it may be considered a new species.

    Meanwhile, the original species living in the original environment, being well-suited to that environment, continues to reproduce happily as before.
    Voila! Now we have two species where once there was just one.

    Does that answer your question, Reverend Dave?

  8. retiredsciguy says: “Voila! Now we have two species where once there was just one.”

    Oh yeah? Then how come no one has ever seen a crocoduck?

  9. Ceteris Paribus

    @retiredsci guy: Yes, but Rives was talking about biology; you seem to have drifted over to discussing the mechanism which has produced the politico-cultural abyss that presently describes the majority population of the red states of the US map.

  10. >”If only the fittest survive, then why is there such an obvious diversity of living things?”

    Because the insects suffer them to live?

  11. Jim Thomerson

    I suppose one could picture an adaptive landscape with a bunch of different adaptive peaks.

  12. retiredsciguy

    Curmy asks, “Then how come no one has ever seen a crocoduck?”

    Because they just weren’t looking in the right places. You’ll find all the crocoducks in crocks o’ $*it.

  13. Well that certainly explains everything. The bad news is that folks like my creationist relatives can easily grasp Rives message whereas they would actually have to think and perhaps learn a few things to understand retiredsciguys succinct explanation. They would probably just ask “OK then – where did that first species come from?” and then would add the tag line, life can’t come from rocks.

  14. Rives says “in the beginning, God created the animals and divided them by kinds”. I believe he is claiming that God created all the individual species and organized them into kinds, like a supernatural Linnaeus. This not only makes no sense, it makes Rives different from other creationists, who claim that God created the various “kinds”, and those “kinds” subsequently diversified into all the different species we see today through “microevolution”.

    Has anyone ever discovered any background to this guy? He had no personal bio on his site. In googling around to find information on him, I noticed that he has appeared at events with a Richard Rives, who in fact looks like an older version of David. Richard has his own website, and sells DVDs and books very similar to the way David markets his material. http://www.toolong.com They both have P.O. boxes in Lewisburg, TN on their “contact us” pages. I think David is following in his dad Richard’s footsteps, and is pursuing a family business. (Richard is as crazy as David, in his own field).

    Further research turns up an actual street address for David Rives ministry, 2502 Lynnville Hwy, Cornersville, TN on a listing of Marshall Co. businesses. Google maps has a street view of the location, which they identify as the Wyatt Archaeological Museum. It’s basically a small house converted to a museum with some trailers and metal buildings around it. The museum business has a website, http://www.wyattmuseum.com, and lo and behold, Richard Rives is the president of the organization. (He is apparently a Noah’s Ark hunter. ) David must run his mail order business from one of the trailers.

    More Rives insanity than you thought possible.

  15. Why do I hear Curmy’s last sentence in an Arnold Swartzenegger voice over? “Do it now!”

    Because the insects suffer them to live?

    Heh, go more basic – because single celled organisms suffer the rest of us to live. They outnumber everything else, out-biomass everything else, out-change-the-environment everything else, etc. As Gould said, this planet is a planet of bacteria, living in an age of bacteria, and we don’t recognize it merely because of a bias of scale.

  16. >”Rives says “in the beginning, God created the animals and divided them by kinds”.”

    It that sort of like Binders full of animals?

  17. I’ve been observing creationism for many years, but occasionally it still makes me wonder. I know this is a stupid question, but don’t they ever stop to consider that just maybe it might have occurred to one of those many scientists, over 150+ years, that there is variety to life?

  18. TomS, it really doesn’t. Sustaining belief in creationism requires sustaining belief that scientists blind themselves to the Truth in order to keep living sinfully. Evolutionists don’t ask themselves the hard questions because if they did, their beliefs would crack and fall apart. I know, irony, right?

  19. Jim, didn’t you mean “Creationists don’t ask themselves the hard questions…”?

  20. Douglas E states, “…folks like my creationist relatives can easily grasp Rives message whereas they would actually have to think and perhaps learn a few things to understand retiredsciguy’s succinct explanation. They would probably just ask “OK then – where did that first species come from?”

    Just say, “We don’t know.” Darwin never addressed that question. His Theory of Evolution simply states that species change over time by the process of natural selection.

    Religious people will claim that their God created the first life; atheists will say life started as a chemical reaction that was self-sustaining; agnostics will say we just don’t know. (Greek agnostos, unknown: a-,not + gnostos, known.)

    Here’s an idea — go along with them and put it in terms they will understand. Say, “Isn’t God great? He gave all living things the ability to evolve so that they could adapt to changing environments all on their own.” This way, they get to keep their religious beliefs (you’re not going to change them anyway) and gain a more mature understanding of biology.

    If your relatives are fans of David Rives, you might point out that he makes a living by bashing evolution and science in general (as does Ken Ham et al.), and that they should take that into consideration when listening to his message.

  21. @Ed: “Google maps has a street view of the location [Rives’s address] … the Wyatt Archaeological Museum.”

    Thanks for doing the research, Ed. Real classy-looking place, isn’t it? It appears to be an old gas station, located at an I-65 exit south of Nashville. I especially liked the 7 empty trash cans and the old pickup with the rear bumper hanging off. Far cry from the slick production values of Rive’s videos. Really makes one wonder about “Rev.” David Rives’s background.
    “Where’s the church? Where’s the steeple? Open the door, there are no people!”

  22. No, retiredscienceguy, although I could have been clearer. Most creationists are taught that evolutionists don’t ask themselves “the hard questions” that, if asked, would cause them to realize that they only believe in evolution because it lets them live without morality.

  23. If the American colonists came from England, why are there still English? Wouldn’t we have killed them all?

    If the English language came from German, why are there still Germans?
    Wouldn’t we have killed them all?

    If the Christian religion evolved from Judaism, why are there still Jews?
    Wouldn’t we have killed them all?

    Well, we have been working on it…

  24. @ retiredsciguy – good ideas but I’ve tried them on some of my relatives without success. They will not accept an old earth or one species giving rise to another. They buy into the canard of microevolution is ok but macro is not, without understanding what they are saying. At that point the only hope is to get the conversation out of the ‘old testament.’

  25. RSG: “Religious people will claim that their God created the first life; atheists will say life started as a chemical reaction that was self-sustaining; agnostics will say we just don’t know.”

    A personal note –
    Science may not have the answer for the origin of life yet, but I think it is an answerable question. I came to ask myself what would change if I actually had that proof, and the answer is “nothing”. There is nothing I value of my faith that depends on any creation story being more than an allegorical tale. I have been called an atheist, but I prefer “Righteously Agnostic”.

  26. RSG said:

    It appears to be an old gas station, located at an I-65 exit south of Nashville. I especially liked the 7 empty trash cans and the old pickup with the rear bumper hanging off.

    You’re being too kind. Do I get a free oil change and salvation with each visit?

  27. Gary asks, “Do I get a free oil change and salvation with each visit?”

    I don’t know, Gary. Take a look on Google Earth Street View — they don’t look very welcoming to visitors dropping in. Besides, they’ve taken out the service bays, so oil changes would be tough. Also — and I may be wrong here — but I get the sense that L’il Davey Rives is more interested in helping others lighten their wallets than helping them get to heaven. You’d probably have just as good a shot at salvation at Jiffy Lube.

  28. @Douglas E: I can understand your problem. That’s why the “Isn’t God great?” preface is important — you start out with a statement that they won’t argue with.

    However, if they don’t accept an old earth, then their so-called “macroevolution” is a hard sell, because it’s nothing more than a long accumulation of “microevolutionary” steps. Six thousand years is not nearly enough time to allow the amount of evolutionary change that we can clearly see in the fossil record.

  29. TA states, “I have been called an atheist, but I prefer “Righteously Agnostic”.

    I like it! Sounds like we’re kindred spirits in that regard. I would also call myself an Evangelical Agnostic. Of course, that’s not going to be much of a help if I ever decide to run for office — at least, not here in Hoosierland.

    As far as science not yet having the answer for the origin of life, it may be answerable, but I don’t see how it could be provable. But then, I’m an agnostic.

  30. RSG said:

    Take a look on Google Earth Street View

    I did. That’s what led me to ask if I could get an oil change along with my salvation. I was being sarcastic. Or facetious.
    I was literally laughing out loud looking at the GE Street View. Their website does a good job of making it look like a decent place. The street view just blows that out of the water. Obviously former service station? Check. Surrounded by trailers? Check. With garbage cans blocking one of the two entrances? Check. Absolutely no one in the parking lot? Check.
    Now, we could be making more of the empty parking lot than we need to. Perhaps the street view vehicle went by on a weekend. But wouldn’t that be their busy time?

  31. Gary says, “I was being sarcastic. Or facetious.”

    Yep, I figured. That’s the problem with the written word — no way to show inflection.

    D’ya think that pickup is Davey Rives’s? I wonder who hauls the garbage out to the street for pick-up? I wonder what they do there to generate seven cans of garbage per week? Oh, yeah — never mind.

  32. Gary: “Perhaps the street view vehicle went by on a weekend. But wouldn’t that be their busy time?”

    The Wyatt Gas Station Museum website says they’re closed on Saturdays. But it also says to call ahead before coming “because of their busy travel/speaking schedule.” (Snicker!)

  33. Curmy, thanks for being such an accomodating host. I don’t mean to monopolize the conversation, but we retired folk need to keep our brains occupied. Mine’s been occupied by aliens for quite some time now.

  34. retiredsciguy says: ” I don’t mean to monopolize the conversation”

    Why should I have all the fun?

  35. Well done Ed, I had been trying to find the connection between David and Richard. I think that you are wrong with them both being equally crazy. David is just what we know him to be and this is an interesting point, he is an AIG supporter. Richard is obviously a supporter of the late Ron Wyatt who is so crazy/dishonest that AIG disown him publicly. Richard not only is all of that but is mixed up with the old Armstong ‘The Plain Truth’, an American version of the ‘British Israel’ movement, ‘Seventh Day Adventism’ (note that the museum is closed on a Saturday). He turns up in various places but both David and Richard are involved with a site called ‘Commandment Keepers’ which seems to be somewhat tone-down compared to the usual Richard Rives stuff.