Klinghoffer: Discoveroids Reach Out to Liberals

There’s no way to describe this one. You need to actually read it to see the depths to which the Discoveroids are willing to descend. It’s by David Klinghoffer, posted at the blog of the Discoveroids — both he and they are described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page.

The title of this nightmare in Newspeak is Teaching the Evolution Controversy Is a Good Liberal Cause. This may signal a new Discoveroid strategy — rebranding their creationism as a liberal idea. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us and David’s links omitted:

We have often pointed out the deceptiveness of Darwin advocates who identify skepticism on orthodox Darwinian evolutionary theory with creationism and with sectarian religious perspectives.

Yeah, we’re the deceptive ones. The mess continues:

Their goal is to fool people who haven’t thought about the issue into swallowing the easy but totally bogus reasoning: “Support for academic freedom equals support for teaching students that the world is under ten thousand years old. Therefore anyone who accepts the age of the universe as being reckoned in the billions of years will naturally oppose even the best, most carefully and responsibly formulated AF [academic freedom] bills.”

We’ve seen that over and over again. The Discoveroids insist they’re not creationists (although all their fans most definitely are) because they’re not young-Earth creationists. But there are loads of old-Earth creationists — William Jennings Bryan was one of them — and that’s exactly what the Discoveroids are. Let’s read on:

The stupidity and illogic of this way of thinking is as obvious, so you might hope, as it is sadly effective.

The absurdity and duplicity of the Discoveroids’ denial that they’re creationists is also obvious — and fortunately it’s not very effective. It certainly didn’t fool Judge Jones in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District. We continue:

Another effective yet erroneous tactic of the Darwin lobby is to link science skepticism inexorably with a right-wing political outlook. The message there is: “If you consider yourself liberal, moderate or anything other than a conservative Tea Party zealot, you must be opposed to AF legislation.”

We see a lot of that, yet our readers know that your humble Curmudgeon is a Republican – but definitely not the crazed Michele Bachmann type. We are not alone — see Conservatives and Intelligent Design, in which we quote Charles Krauthammer and George F. Will — not exactly left-wingers — praising the Kitzmiller decision. Here’s more from Klinghoffer:

Guys like Paul Krugman (pictured above), the New York Times columnist, are insistent that conservatives and Republicans are ignorant and anti-intellectual.

You don’t want to know your Curmudgeon’s opinion of Krugman. We’ll skip Klinghoffer’s quote from him. Moving along:

Unlike those ignorant Republicans, liberals support critical thinking — yet they oppose encouraging students to think critically when it comes to evolution? The absurdity of this is evident too, or it should be.

Klinghoffer is delighted about the confusion generated by the Discoveroids’ intentional choice of the ambiguous expression “critical thinking.” Another excerpt:

[I]f you just step back from it for a moment, well-formulated AF [academic freedom] laws should be a very natural liberal, progressive thing to support. We’re talking about protecting teachers who want to enlighten their students by acquainting them with both sides of a legitimate scientific controversy.

We should have warned you that Klinghoffer’s essay was a vomit-inducer, but you probably knew that in advance. On with his article:

Zogby polling, indeed, shows that Democrats are even more in favor of protecting teachers who teach evolutionary theory’s “strengths and weakness” than Republicans are — by a margin of 82 to 73 percent.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! They’re still touting that four-year old phoney poll. We debunked it here: Discovery Institute: Equal Opportunity Creationism. Klinghoffer’s not done yet:

We need to do more to deliberately claim and use appropriate language in characterizing the case for academic freedom, which is really about modestly reforming science education. There’s a serious argument to be made, backed up by intuition, that this is in fact a fine liberal cause — while it is the anti-AF activists, like our friends at the National Center for Science Education, who are the reactionary defenders of a calcified status quo.

Good luck trying to recruit liberals to the Discoveroid cause. The old William Jennings Bryan days when creationists were mostly in the Dem party are largely gone. Loads of them — but certainly not all — have oozed into the GOP. And now we come to the end:

Even if you’re a conservative on other issues, on this one, if you support academic freedom, it’s right and fair to call yourself a progressive.

This is an interesting outreach effort. We don’t think it’ll be very successful, but one never knows. There are plenty of crazy Republican creationists, but not enough for the Discoveroids. The Dems aren’t immune to nutty ideas, so maybe Klinghoffer knows what he’s doing.

Afterthought: We’ve previously posted about the similarity of evolution to the natural, unguided way the free market develops (Adam Smith’s invisible hand), and how that contrasts with state-controlled economies which are “intelligently designed” from the top. See Evolution, Intelligent Design, and Barack Obama. In that sense, intelligent design does fit into the political outlook of the Dems. Maybe the Discoveroids have figured that out, and now realize that their greatest potential is in that direction.

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16 Responses to Klinghoffer: Discoveroids Reach Out to Liberals

  1. “We see a lot of that, yet our readers know that your humble Curmudgeon is a Republican – but definitely not the crazed Michele Bachmann type.”
    Glad to see we share more than a belief in evolution and science!
    You might wanna check into the newest “fad” among our less astute brethren…Dr. Ben Carson.. neuro-surgeon…at first glance accomplished, articulate and admirable. A look under the covers finds a YEC, 7th day adventist who definitely does not believe in evolution and has questioned the MORALITY of anyone who believes in evolution. Out next Todd Akin in the making. Sheesh. Keep him on your radar.

  2. This is rather over the top in a kind of wheel chair with a seat belt sort of way. I wonder if Col.Kling has been told to produce some fresh sounding material or lose funding? It does have a smell of desperation about it. Desperation or dementia.

  3. You know, I think Klinghitler’s got a winning strategy here.

    If there’s one thing we liberals love, it’s global-warming-denying think tanks funded by fascist billionaires!

  4. Dear Mr Klinghoffer

    1. Your swimming in an ocean of what the f…. dude you need to understand that.

    2. I can’t wait to email all my left wing friends and relatives a link to your latest so they can meet their new allies.

    3. Thank you for some of the best unintentional humor ever. The downside is you have singlehandedly made it impossible for The Onion to be funny.

    -anevilmeme

  5. Diogenes says: “You know, I think Klinghitler’s got a winning strategy here.”

    It’s at least consistent. By that I mean it’s consistent with his denial that the Discoveroids are creationists, when everyone knows otherwise. Now he’s claiming that their “theory” has a wider appeal than to a few religious denominations that read scripture literally. But that’s crazy. If those denominations didn’t exist, there would be no market for creationism at all — it has no inherent appeal to either liberals or conservatives.

    It’s almost impossible to sell creationism as a political issue anyway. Ol’ Hambo doesn’t bother with that; he just spews it out to his religious followers. The Discoveroids’ closeted approach to things makes it more complicated for them. But in terms of political marketing, it’s really a question of which party has the most fundamentalists. A generation ago it was the Dems, now it’s the GOP. The Discoveroids can’t have it both ways.

  6. You never see Klinkleklankle and Pee Wee Herman in the same place. Why is that?

    Kookiekrocker tries so hard to project but he just can’t keep it up, which is why in his mind evolutionists are the real creationists!

    The bottom line, though, was summed up nicely by Genie Scott who said, “You don’t need laws to teach the science of evolution; you need laws to teach creationism.”

  7. Maybe Kling has a point. The various laws promoted by the DI over the years to require teaching of their philosophy in science classes could be easily construed as an expansion of government, perhaps even social engineering, which could be considered a progressive agenda.

    Also, intelligent design is similar to many liberal new age fads – it offers a metaphysical explanation that can be applied universally without having to conform to scientific evidence or even to a specific religious dogma. ID could be consistent with ancient astronauts, for example. In that sense, ID is a perfect new age mysticism.

    Maybe that’s a way to distinguish ID from other types of creationism… We could have young-earth creationism, old-earth creationism, and new-age creationism.

  8. “You don’t want to know your Curmudgeon’s opinion of Krugman”

    To the contrary, I would love nothing more than your humble, curmudgeonly opinion of Mr. Krugman! ;] We need more curmudgeonly commentary on our so called “experts” (both on the left and right) in the media.

  9. Even more than usual he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I think most liberals wouldn’t mind Creationist material in a religions course as well as a variety of non-science courses. While he believes there is a scientific controversy there isn’t one, there is nothing in the body of literature as well. You can’t put every crackpot idea into science class because it has popular support, it has to be part of science.

  10. How does he go on? If I were in this dolt’s shoes i wouldn’t be able to live with myself. He is a xian and a paid liar. Does he not see the contradiction? What keeps him going? Maybe I should also be asking how much does he get paid.

  11. I just added this as an afterthought to the original post:

    We’ve previously posted about the similarity of evolution to the natural, unguided way the free market develops (Adam Smith’s invisible hand), and how that contrasts with state-controlled economies which are “intelligently designed” from the top. See Evolution, Intelligent Design, and Barack Obama. In that sense, intelligent design does fit into the political outlook of the Dems. Maybe the Discoveroids have figured that out, and now realize that their greatest potential is in that direction.

  12. @Curm:

    Maybe the Discoveroids have figured that out, and now realize that their greatest potential is in that direction.

    But you ignore the fact that conservatives merely talk about small government, while acting to make it bigger. (Leaving aside the fact that the analogy Intelligent Designer = Federal Government, darwinian evolution = individuals is a bad analogy anyway.)

    Consider Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s rationale for making the federal government bigger and taking away states’ rights with a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage nationwide. He rationalizes it by saying that, by making the federal government bigger, he is making it smaller, and that by taking rights away from states, he is protecting their rights.

    [Rick Perry Interview]:

    GOV. PERRY: Right and that is the reason that the federal marriage amendment is being offered, it’s that small group of activist judges, and frankly a small handful, if you will, of states, and liberal special interests groups that intend on a redefinition of, if you will, marriage on the nation, for all of us, which I adamantly oppose.

    Indeed to not pass the federal marriage amendment would impinge on Texas, and other states not to have marriage forced upon us by these activist judges and special interest groups. …But the overall constitutional protection, if you will, by and how we amend our United States Constitution to reflect the values of the nation as whole is very important…

    TONY PERKINS: …The support of a marriage amendment is a pro-state’s rights position, because it will defend the rights of states to define marriage as it has been.

    GOV. PERRY: Yes sir, and I have long supported the appointment of judges who respect the constitution and the passage of a federal marriage amendment. That amendment defines marriage between one man and one woman, and it protects the states from being told otherwise. It respects the rights of the state…

    By taking away the rights of states.

  13. @Ed:

    Maybe Kling has a point. The various laws promoted by the DI over the years to require teaching of their philosophy in science classes could be easily construed as an expansion of government, perhaps even social engineering, which could be considered a progressive agenda.

    No, the fact that it’s social engineering is what makes it conservative. Social conservatives (not Curm nor libertarians) believe in social engineering as long as it’s right-wing social engineering.

    As for “a progressive agenda”, the early progressive movement (late 1890′s to WWI) was a mixture of what we would now call liberals and social conservatives (though these labels are hard to project back pre-1920.)

    Many progressives were religious authorities who shut down saloons, demanded prohibition, shut down brothels, gambling houses, etc.

    An obvious example is the founder of fundamentalism as a political movement in the US, William Bell Riley. He was technically a “progressive” at the turn of the century but for him that meant mostly shutting down saloons, brothels, etc.

    After World War I, the progressives had split into what we now call liberals and social conservatives, which historians call the “Farewell to Reform.”

    This rejection of reform was especially severe in the case of fundamentalists like William Bell Riley, who a decade or two before was concerned with the poor, but by WWI was disgusted that Christians started to believe in the social gospel (helping the poor people) which distracted so many from their real agenda (believe in the Bible or you go to Hell.) Fundamentalists like Riley completely rejected concern for the poor and the “social gospel” as a damnable heresy and a lie of Satan, and lumped it together with Darwinism and Higher Criticism of the Bible under the moniker “modernism.”

    Darwinism and concern for the poor and the weak were both heretical and modernist lies of the Devil.

    What we now call “liberalism” (which they mostly called “modernism”) is an amalgam of the Christian social gospel, Unitarianism, reform Judaism, and the agnosticism of Clarence Darrow and his circle.

    Fundamentalism was really radicalized by World War I, just as the Nazi party was in Germany, as both fundamentalists and Nazis regarded WWI as the complete moral disaster caused by German modernism. Both US fundamentalists and Nazis looked upon the Weimar Republic as the morally corrupt, decadent end of Western civilization, proof that a campaign against rationalism was necessary to preserve civiliziation, which they then launched upon.

  14. Diogenes says: “But you ignore the fact that conservatives merely talk about small government, while acting to make it bigger.”

    True. One party wants to expand government to “intelligently design” (that is, control) the economy, and the other party (the social conservative faction of it) wants to “intelligently design” (or control) our private lives. Both factions are crazed. A truly limited government would do neither.

  15. LOL! Saying that something “Is a Good Liberal Cause” is the best way to ensure that conservatives will quickly decide to distance themselves from it. Over the last decade or two I’ve seen quite a few conservative ideas become anathema when “liberals” start to agree with them.

  16. doodlebuggersouthof the borderthisweek

    Klinghoffer! This is good stuff! If you could find another Fiscus from Montana
    to tout your goodies before the legislature, I´m sure this time it´ll stick.
    To the wall like spaghetti.