This should drive the creationists crazy. Check out this item at PhysOrg: How predictable is evolution? They say, with bold font added by us:
Understanding how and why diversification occurs is important for understanding why there are so many species on Earth. In a new study published on 19 February in the open access journal PLOS Biology, researchers show that similar — or even identical — mutations can occur during diversification in completely separate populations of E. coli evolving in different environments over more than 1000 generations. Evolution, therefore, can be surprisingly predictable.
The paper they’re reporting about is Parallel Evolutionary Dynamics of Adaptive Diversification in Escherichia coli. You can read it online without a subscription. Okay, back to PhysOrg:
The experiment, conducted by Matthew Herron, research assistant professor at the University of Montana, and Professor Michael Doebeli of the University of British Columbia, involved 3 different populations of bacteria. At the start of the experiment, each population consisted of generalists competing for two different sources of dietary carbon (glucose and acetate), but after 1200 generations they had evolved into two coexisting types each with a specialized physiology adapted to one of the carbon sources.
That sounds like a lot of generations, and it is, but under proper conditions E. coli can reproduce 2 or 3 times per hour. That’s at least 50 generations per day, so the whole 1,200 generation experiment could have been conducted in less than a month. In contrast, that many human generations (each only 20 years) would require 24,000 years — far longer than the span of written human history. In all that time, we’ve developed some lactose tolerance, and perhaps some immunity to bubonic plague, but other than maybe hair loss and dental problems, not much else. Try to explain to the creationists why no one has literally seen a monkey evolve into a man. Okay, back to PhysOrg:
Herron and Doebeli were able to sequence the genomes of populations of bacteria frozen at 16 different points during their evolution, and discovered a surprising amount of similarity in their evolution.
We can already hear the Discoveroids: The experiment was conducted in a lab. It was designed! Whatever they found is evidence of intelligent design! Yeah, right. Let’s read on:
“In all three populations it seems to be more or less the same core set of genes that are causing the two phenotypes that we see,” Herron said. “In a few cases, it’s even the exact same genetic change.”
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“There are about 4.5 million nucleotides in the E. coli genome,” he said. “Finding in four cases that the exact same change had happened independently in different populations was intriguing.”
Jeepers. What are the odds of that? It’s gotta be the intelligent designer, doesn’t it? We continue:
Herron and Doebeli argue that a particular form of selection — negative frequency dependence — plays an important role in driving diversification. When bacteria are either glucose specialists or acetate specialists, a higher density of one type will mean fewer resources for that type, so bacteria specializing on the alternative resource will be at an advantage. “We think it’s likely that some kind of negative frequency dependence — some kind of rare type advantage — is important in many cases of diversification, especially when there’s no geographic isolation,” Herron said.
“Negative frequency dependence”? Not intelligent design? How disappointing for the creationists. Well, they can deal with this. After all, it’s only micro-evolution. They’re still E. coli. They didn’t get a crock-o-duck. Okay, that’s it for PhysOrg. Here’s the last part of the paper’s abstract:
This process closely corresponds to the evolutionary dynamics seen in mathematical models of adaptive diversification due to frequency-dependent ecological interactions. The parallel genetic changes underlying similar phenotypes in independently evolved lineages provide empirical evidence of adaptive diversification as a predictable evolutionary process.
Very nice. Favorable genetic adaptations — new information! — occurred in the lab, all tidily documented, and sometimes it was the exact same adaptation. To the astonishment of creationists, no supernatural interference seems to have been necessary. All it took was a little more than a thousand microbial generations and less than 30 days. Imagine what might have happened during the so-called Cambrian explosion, which lasted about 50 million years.
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The designer doesn’t deal with such petty things. He only takes up contract for exosomes, proteasomes, ribosomes, ATP synthase, flagella and the like.
Creationists says that if evolution can’t be repeated, it’s not scientific, and if it can be repeated, it’s not evolution.
Ken Ham: “Many people don’t understand that real science involves using your five senses in the present…. scientists don’t have the past. Evolution is not science in the sense of being observable, testable, repeatable, etc. Who witnessed reptiles turning into birds, or life beginning in a primeval soup millions of years ago? No one did, of course.” [Ken Ham, AIG, X-Nilo Files, 1(5), March 1999]
Answers in Genesis: “Accepting the big bang or evolution as factual accounts of the origin of life and the universe is not scientific. They are interpretations of facts… Operational science is based on repeatable observations and falsifiable statements while historical science is based on interpreting data that cannot be repeated. Operational science leads to computers and space shuttles as products of repeatable processes. Historical science leads to shifting interpretations that are not reliable.” [AIG, Evolution Exposed: Biology, Chapter 1: What Is Science? By Roger Patterson. February 22, 2007]
However, if evolution is repeatable, it’s not evolution.
Here’s David Berlinski of the Discovery Institute: “[L. H.] Rieseberg and his co-authors reproduced under artificial conditions the genetic changes that have historically led from H. annus and H. petiolaris to H. anomalus. The plants … are sunflowers. What is remarkable is the extent to which this experiment contravenes Darwinian doctrine. Given the crucial role played by random events in evolutionary theory, many biologists have drawn the conclusion that the tape of life, if rewound, would produce “a different array of evolutionary end products” (Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life). …the tape in this experiment ran to precisely the same genetic end product each time it was played.” [Berlinski, "The Deniable Darwin", Commentary]
Yes, Diogenes, it’s time we just gave up.
Our Curmudgeon predicts:
Then they would be much improved.
There is no word to describe their current level of psychotic delusion; it is something far, far beyond mere “crazy”…
This should drive the creationists crazy.
Nah.
1) They most likely won’t understand it. ["Parallel Evolutionary Dynamics of Adaptive Diversification in Escherichia coli" is undoubtedly beyond their reading level.]
2) If by chance they do understand it, they’ll just dismiss it as “micro-evolution”.
Can’t for the IDiots to weigh in on this.
Whenever Berlinski comes to dinner I always count the silverware. Sure enough, I’m always missing a fork or two. Fork you, Berlinski.
Lying creationist he is, Berlinski conveniently leaves out a few critical details of the sunflower experiment. It was an experiment in hybridization, not random genetic change. With a hybridization experiment where you are deliberately cross-breeding two species you will definitely get similar results. I think Mendel demonstrated that with his pea plants.
That’s totally and completely different than what Gould was talking about regarding “rewinding the tape of life.” Gould’s view of life was that random events in the dim past would shape the trajectory of organisms moving forward.
It’s a deliberate subterfuge on Berlinski’s part and not a simple understanding. He may be a lying creationist but he’s not stupid; he just thinks we are.
“He may be a lying creationist but he’s not stupid; he just thinks we are.”
Copyright that line, doc. It’s a gem.