This is about a fascinating piece by David Klinghoffer, posted at the blog of the Discoveroids — both he and they are described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page. His title is a little bit misleading: Speaking for “Answers in Genesis,” Creationist Georgia Purdom Hits a Nail on the Head.
Wow — Klinghoffer says a young-Earth creationist hits the nail on the head! If we were to engage in the practice of quote-mining, we’d stop right there with his title. You know who Dr. Georgia Purdom is. She’s a creation scientist about whom we recently wrote Our Onion Overlords. She works for Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia. Hambo is co-founder of Answers in Genesis (AIG) — described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page.
Klinghoffer’s title is sufficient to allow an unscrupulous charlatan to claim that he has climbed aboard Hambo’s sinking ship and has gone whole-hog for the young-Earth, Noah’s Ark version of creationism. Misusing a title like that is exactly what the Discoveroids did a few days ago — see Discovery Institute Quote-Mines Lisa Randall.
But we don’t do that sort of thing. We leave the sewer tactics to creationists. Instead, we actually read Klinghoffer’s article and we know that our readers — unlike brain-dead creationists — are likely to check our claims and sources. Instead of quote-mining Klinghoffer’s title we’ll examine what he says and why it is that he praises Georgia Purdom. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us and David’s links omitted:
Creationist Georgia Purdom deserves congratulations for putting her finger on a key difference between creationism and intelligent design. That’s a distinction that many Darwinists egregiously and intentionally muddle, leaving the media and much of the public confused. Dr. Purdom, who has her degree in molecular genetics, works with the organization Answers in Genesis. In a brief video she asks, “Is the Intelligent Design Movement Christian?” Emphatically, she says no, and characterizes ID this way:
Then Klinghoffer purports to quote from Purdom’s video. We haven’t verified its accuracy:
[Alleged quote from Georgia Purdom describing intelligent design:] It’s an evidential approach that basically tries to answer the question of what is designed, not who, when, why, where and how. Which is why the movement is not Christian. Because the Bible does tell us who, why, when, where and how. And so while there are Christians within the intelligent-design movement, the movement itself is not Christian.
ID is “an evidential approach”? That is knee-slapping funny! Purdom probably believes it. It’s the way AIG thinks. They assume that if someone doesn’t run around babbling about Adam & Eve and Noah’s Ark and six-day creation all the time then he’s a hell-bound secularist-atheist-Darwinist. They’ve pretty much said so before — see Answers in Genesis vs.Intelligent Design, where we quoted AIG saying this:
Any person who believes in any god who created the universe or life in any way could be a member of IDM [intelligent design movement]. This wedge strategy essentially divides belief about origins into two classes: naturalism and super-naturalism. By placing all super-naturalistic philosophies under the same “umbrella,” IDM hopes to present a more unified front than could be done by any single religiously motivated movement.
Yes, except that the Discoveroids’ insidious Wedge Strategy specifically says: “Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.” That’s their true goal, but unlike AIG, they never admit it.
Amusingly, although the Discoveroids hope that one day they will gather all creationists under their bland, deceptive banner, the hard-core young-Earth types (of which AIG is typical) often find the Discoveroids’ message to be insufficiently sectarian. That’s the position of Georgia Purdom. Klinghoffer quotes her a bit more as she criticizes the Discoveroids:
[Allegedly a quote from Georgia Purdom:] The central problem is they have divorced the Creator from his creation. And by not having the history of the Bible and not understanding the fall of man and the curse on all creation, they have a difficult time explaining evil in the world such as carnivory and flesh-eating bacteria.
She’s right. When faced with sloppy design, or even malevolent design, the Discoveroids can’t blame it on Satan. They are forced to concede that The Designer Can Be Sloppy. That undermines their whole “theory,” which is based on the nonsensical claim that they (and apparently they alone) have the ability to detect design. They’ve gone so far out on that limb that we named it their Theory of Improvident Design. Let’s read on to see what else Klinghoffer has to say:
Dr. Purdom nicely reminds her viewers that ID begins with the evidence, and only the evidence, on a variety of scientific fronts. Surely that’s what makes it so powerful and so interesting.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! He continues:
ID reaches conclusions that leave plenty of room for theism, but it does so without presuppositions beyond a willingness to follow the evidence where it leads.
Uh huh. Except no one — probably not even most Discoveroids — believes that their evidence (of which they have none) leads to Oogity Boogity. Here’s more:
A very different way of reasoning, creationism begins with a favored conclusion, a predetermined religious view and works backward from there, seeking support for faith in a particular way of reading the Bible.
That sounds lovely — except it’s the same with the Discoveroids. Everything they say and do is intended to further their Wedge Strategy — the blatant purpose of which is to suppress science and to institute theocracy. Moving along:
Whether it’s fair or accurate to equate the latter approach [AIG's young-earth creationism], in blanket fashion, with authentic Christianity, effectively requiring it of all Christians, I leave to others to decide. I think that if I were Christian myself and not Jewish, I would find such a notion rather off-putting. In apologetics, the business of Answers in Genesis, the purpose is to convince the unconvinced. But I struggle to see who would be won over by a strategy like that.
What he really means is that the AIG approach has no hope of slipping through the courts to force its way into the public schools, while the Discoveroids still imagine that they have a chance of success with their fraudulent theory. Here’s how he finishes:
Still, the underlying point that Georgia Purdom makes is valid and should be widely broadcast. Her bottom line, her problem with intelligent design, is that ID is science. That fact distinguishes it from creationism, and it is what drives Darwinists mad.
If Georgia Purdom thinks ID is science, will anyone be thereby persuaded to agree? What’s her opinion worth? She actually thinks that AIG’s creation science is science. Nevertheless, Klinghoffer is citing her as an authority to make the point that the Discoveroids aren’t creationists. Well, why not? He probably thinks she’s a dingbat, but he’s willing to exploit her anyway. What else has he got?
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Typo “It’s the AIG way thinks.”
The ID sales group needs to think outside the sanctum sectorum and just be flat out honest with a judge.
They could quite honestly claim: “Your honor, you are most likely aware of what parameters could be used to define what a good christian is, In light of the behavior and tactics used by myself and the various other organizations attempting to sell the idea of ID, It should be clear to all and beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are the farthest thing from being good christians that anyone could imagine, therefore I submit that we are without bias in representation of ID as being a valid framework!”.
If that fails they are either going to need to hire lawyers that openly worship satan or just pack it in.
Cheers
Creationists that are honest about their goofy beliefs versus creationists that aren’t. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
Went to the video to see how many views it has … but they are using their own jwplayer embedding. Let me save you … the video isn’t worth watching. Klinghoffer has done the hard work for us.
Thanks, Dean. Typo fixed.
It’s an evidential approach that basically tries to answer the question of what is designed, not who, when, why, where and how.
That is an accurate quotation (there is an editorial deletion of an “ah”), about 1 minute into the video.
What interests me is that this acknowledges that there is no interest in addressing the 6 W’s that we’ve all learned about expository writing in secondary school. From the Wikipedia article “Five Ws”:
“The Five Ws, Five Ws and one H, or the Six Ws are questions whose answers are considered basic in information-gathering. They are often mentioned in journalism (cf. news style), research, and police investigations.[1] They constitute a formula for getting the complete story on a subject.[2] According to the principle of the Five Ws, a report can only be considered complete if it answers these questions starting with an interrogative word:[3]”
I would disagree, though, about whether ID addresses the “what” question, for it seems to be that there is no way of distinguishing things that are “intelligently designed” from those that are not. Not even to the extent of giving hypothetical examples of things which would not or could not be “intelligently designed”: Name something that an “intelligent designer” would not do.
It doesn’t matter at all if ID is not Christian. It’s not Hindu, Jewish, Islamic, Nordic, Druidic, Incan or Polynesian, either. It’s “not” a lot of things.
What matters is that ID is not science.
So ID is pushing to have their thought labeled LGM Theory. That label was used in the past for similar thinking. It means Little Green Men doing various things, and becoming invisible and undetectable when one looks for them.
Well, gee, Jim, if they become invisible, how do we know they’re green?
The difference between creationists and ID proponents is that creationists believe God turned dirt into people 6,000 years ago, and IDers are crazy.
Just a few years back the IDologues admitted they were creationist and they embraced the word creation. Now they’re desperate to rewrite their own words.
As we all know here, early versions of Of Pandas and People used the word creationism and defined creationism precisely. Michael Behe wrote the chapter in OP&P on blood clotting cascade, in a book that called these theories creationism; he wrote that in OP&P before he wrote Darwin’s Black Box. So Behe had no problem then, no problem, calling his ideas creationist. Then after the Aguilar legal defeat, in 1987, they search-and-replaced “creationism” with “intelligent design”, but the official definition stayed the same.
Klinghitler, Luskin and the other Discovernaughts think they can make us forget that history.
Let’s compare what Klinghitler wrote this time to what Phillip Johnson wrote a few years back.
Klinghitler now: “A very different way of reasoning, creationism begins with a favored conclusion, a predetermined religious view and works backward from there, seeking support for faith in a particular way of reading the Bible.”
Right. And that’s exactly why Intelligent Design is creationism. Let’s look at what Phillip Johnson wrote in 2000.
Phillip Johnson, 1999: “To talk of a purposeful or guided evolution is not to talk about evolution at all. That is slow creation… the Darwinian theory of evolution contradicts not just the Book of Genesis, but every word in the Bible from beginning to end. It contradicts the idea that we are here because a creator brought about our existence for a purpose. That is the first thing I realized, it carries tremendous meaning.
… Now, some Bible believers are a bit concerned… They ask “Are you only bringing in the god of the philosophers and not biblical authority?” …when that objection is made, they don’t quite understand the program… You have to start someplace… You can’t give it to them all at once… if you’re going to introduce people to scriptural truth, the first thing they have to understand is that there is a possibility that God actually could communicate… it has to be possible for God to be our Creator…
…The first thing you understand is that the Darwinian theory isn’t true… the next question that occurs to you is, well, where might you get the truth? When I preach from the Bible… I don’t start with Genesis. I start with John 1:1. In the beginning was the word. In the beginning was intelligence, purpose, and wisdom. The Bible had that right.” [Phillip E. Johnson, 1999, speech at D. James Kennedy’s Reclaiming America for Christ Conference]
Johnson, 2000: “I want to explain the basic thinking behind the Wedge strategy to the public—especially the Christian public. In particular, it is time to set out more fully how the Wedge program fits into the specific Christian gospel (as distinguished from generic theism), and how and where questions of biblical authority enter the picture. As Christians develop a more thorough understanding of these questions, they will begin to see more clearly how ordinary people… can more effectively engage the secular world on behalf of the gospel.” [Phillip Johnson, The Wedge of Truth: Splitting the Foundations of Naturalism, 2000, p.16]
Johnson, 2003: “I looked for the best place to start the search,” Mr. Johnson says, “and I found it in the prologue to the Gospel of John: ‘In the beginning was the Word.’ And I asked this question: Does scientific evidence tend to support this conclusion, or the contrary conclusion of the materialists…?”
Mr. Johnson notes that “if we start with the Gospel’s basic explanation of the meaning of creation, we see that it is far better supported by scientific investigation than the contrary. At this point we haven’t proved the Bible’s claims about creation, but we’ve removed a powerful obstacle in the way of such belief. And all I really want to do with the scientific evidence is to clear away the obstacle that it presents to a belief that the creator is the God of the Bible.”
…”The fundamental question is whether God is real or imaginary. The entire way of thinking that underlies Darwinian evolution assumes that God is out of the picture as any kind of a real entity.” He points out that “it is a very short step from Darwinism in science to the kind of liberal theology we find in many of our seminaries that treats the resurrection as… something that didn’t happen but was imagined by the disciples…”
“What’s at stake isn’t just the first chapter of Genesis, but the whole Bible from beginning to end…”
…”Once God is culturally determined to be imaginary, then God’s morality loses its foundation and withers away.” — [Dr. Phillip Johnson is World Magazine's "Daniel of the Year". John Perry. World Magazine (Christian magazine), December 13, 2003]
And let’s not forget William Dembski.
Dembski: “Indeed, intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John’s Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.”
No, what drives “Darwinists” mad are lies like this one.
Diogenes, I hope you have this stuff accumulated somewhere, like your blog. It’s too good merely to scatter it around.
Diogenes, I hope you have this stuff accumulated somewhere, like your blog. It’s too good merely to scatter it around.
I have my citations straight. I’m writing a book about creationism. It will be a comedy, for those who think. Or a tragedy, for those who feel.