WND: Rev. David Rives — What We Don’t See

We know we posted about one of these yesterday, but the blaring sirens and flashing lights of our Retard-o-tron™ got our attention, and the blinking letters of the wall display said WorldNetDaily. They’re described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page.

The Retard-o-tron™ had already connected our computer to WorldNetDaily’s presentation of the latest video by the brilliant and articulate leader of David Rives Ministries. WND’s headline was Evolution not observed in nature.

The title of the rev’s video is What we have NOT observed. It runs for about a minute and a half before the commercial at the end. This one will amaze you! You gotta click over to WND to see it.

The rev tells us about all the things those pointy-headed fancy-pants scientists are always talking about about, but that we don’t see — things like stars being born, animals changing into other animals, transitional fossils, and order arising from chaos. There’s no evidence! Evolution is just a faith-based belief!

As we’ve done before with the rev’s videos, please feel free to use the comments section as an Intellectual Free Fire Zone. You know the rules. Okay, now go to it.

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24 responses to “WND: Rev. David Rives — What We Don’t See

  1. Ceteris Paribus

    Eeeewwww. I dunked my computer mouse into a vat of hand sanitizer after clicking over to the WND site.

  2. David Rives is one of the creationists we love so much precisely because of how immediately and obviously their scientific illiteracy demonstrates the moronic nature of creationist thinking to be. Just yesterday I posted to my Google+ page the news release from the Science Daily site to an article about “Herschel Discovers Some of the Youngest Stars Ever Seen” (3/20/2013) from the European Space Agency, regarding astronomical observations of the young stars forming in the gas clouds in the region of the Orion Belt.

  3. thearchaeopteryx

    I clicked over to WND and all I could muster was: “Oh for f***’s sake. . .”
    How do you converse with someone who dismisses massive amounts of evidence with a wave of the hand?

  4. Christine Janis

    Is it *merely* a coincidence that the fish fossil shown is a derived teleost?

  5. There are lots of things that no one has ever observed, but which nobody doubts. For example, the center of the Earth. Science is most valuable because it tells us about things which are not observed. If we see it, we don’t need science.

  6. TomS: not a good analogy.

    Transitional fossils are easily seen. There are plenty in museums.

    Stars and planets can be seen in the process of formation.

    Sure, some theoretical entities in science can’t be seen, but this stuff can be seen.

  7. My guess is that Rives was home schooled, and trained from a young age to follow in his Dad’s footsteps. He doesn’t include any bio info on his ministries page or his facebook page or anywhere that I’ve been able to find – which is very unusual for someone who’s business depends on promoting themselves. He most likely still lives at home.

    It just demonstrates the power of the internet to enable anyone, regardless of knowledge or talent, to make a few bucks scamming the gullible. Although to be fair to David, he probably has no idea he’s scamming anyone – he probably really believes the tripe he puts out.

  8. @Diogenes: It isn’t an analogy. It’s a fact: Many of the most important objects of science are not directly observed, but inferred from the evidence.

  9. TomS: “Many of the most important objects of science are not directly observed, but inferred from the evidence.”

    Doesn’t matter. Rives says that stellar formation and transitional fossils are NOT observed. This is factually false. They ARE observed. Thus, if you are right, they are NOT typical of “the most important objects of science.”

  10. I tried commenting at WND. Big red message:

    “YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO POST ON THIS THREAD.”

  11. Diogenes was told by WND: “YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO POST ON THIS THREAD.”

    Oh, the horror of viewpoint discrimination!

  12. Ceteris Paribus

    @Ed: Like everybody that has ever posted much on the internet, Rives does have a bio if you look. Rather interesting too.

    His father works for WND, and was an avid searcher for the remnants of the Ark. Both have shepherded guided True Believers on tours of the Holy Land. David apparently does not claim to be a Rev. He lives not far from Nashville, and is a fair picker of the 6 string. He also does not age over the several years of his videos.

    I quit looking at Rive’s bio after someone pointed me at the location of the museum /abandoned gas station which is reputed to be his home digs. Creeped myself out using Google Earth to see it from space, and now just watch his videos. That’s starting to creep me out too.

  13. @CP: I think you are assembling a bio based on info you have found in various places, but as for an actual written bio or resume listing his educational credentials, age, etc., there appears to nothing – at least as far as I have found. One would think if he had graduated from even a bible college he would include it as part of his credentials.

    David is a bit creepy, but his dad Richard is even stranger, in my opinion.

  14. I quit looking at Rive’s bio after someone pointed me at the location of the museum /abandoned gas station which is reputed to be his home digs.

    Can someone point me to that?

  15. “The rev tells us about all the things those pointy-headed fancy-pants scientists are always talking about about, but that we don’t see”

    Like baby animals growing into adult animals? Cliches notwithstanding, no one has ever actually seen a puppy growing. By the Rev’s logic, therefore, the puppy isn’t growing. Instead it’s being miraculously replaced every night with a slightly larger, slightly-closer-to-adult puppy.

  16. The whole truth

    “Providing Resources to Equip and Inspire your Home School”:

    http://www.thehomeschoolchannel.tv/profile/DavidRivesMinistries?xg_source=activity

    It should say: Providing maniacal religious fairy tales to brainwash your home schooled indoctrinated children.

    (Actually, what I think it should say wouldn’t make it past the filters here.)

  17. The whole truth

    Richard Rives is David’s father. Richard is president of “Wyatt Archaeological Research”, which is a part of the so-called “Wyatt Archaeological Museum”, and David gives tours there.

    http://www.wyattmuseum.com/

    https://foursquare.com/v/wyatt-archaeological-museum/4e9a6323cc215f3adcc9ba3f

    http://www.wnd.com/2003/08/20300/

    Breaking News!:

    http://davidrivesministries.org/

    All science so far!

  18. @Diogenes:
    Rives is wrong on more than one account. As you point out, he is factually wrong about transitional fossils not being observed. I only wanted to point out that even if such-and-such is not observed, that does not make it non-scientific. Some of the important discoveries of science start out as unobserved and are fully accepted while being unobserved, but much later turn out to be observed. The direct observation of the motion of the Earth was stellar aberration (1725), stellar parallax (1838) and Foucault pendulum (1851). Others may never be observed.

  19. @Diogenes: Besides the info that The whole truth posted, you can get a good look at the Wyatt Archaeological Museum on Goole Earth street view. It’s an abandoned gas station on the NW corner of the intersection of I-65 & Co. Rd. 129 (Lynnville Rd.), located about halfway between Nashville, Tenn. and Decatur, Ala.

  20. Also, there’s more info about David Rives, his father Richard, and the Wyatt Archaeological Museum in the Curmudgeon’s archives. I think it was Frank J who did the original digging to find the connection, but I’m not sure.

    Side note — there’s a picture of Richard Rives on the Wyatt Museum homepage. Put a beard & gray hair on David and you couldn’t tell ‘em apart.

  21. I’m going to speculate wildly that little Davy was homeschooled and has a high school education or GED. If you can bear to watch his videos he’s a one-trick pony: show a Hubble picture, quote the Bible and declare the glory of God. That’s it. No doctrine, no point. Just an uneducated thumper with no talent other than a bit of telegenic charisma and a total lack of ethics that permits him to fleece money from people who can least afford it.

    Just think, he’ll be doing the same thing for the next 40 years.

  22. Nailed it, doc. Elmer Gantry in the DVD Age. And if you don’t believe him, you’re going straight to Hell.

  23. Pat Robertson ain’t none too happy about little peckerwoods like Rives cutting into his profits, I mean, donations, I mean, ministry. Why just the other day he was encouraging people who were going through bankruptcy who couldn’t afford to donate $100 to donate $20 – and make up the difference later. Old Pat warned the idiots who follow him, I mean, the sheeple, I mean, his “congregation” to watch out for con men quoting the Bible while asking for money. Pat, get some Hubble pictures. They’re free!

  24. Doc Bill says:

    Old Pat warned the idiots who follow him, I mean, the sheeple, I mean, his “congregation” to watch out for con men quoting the Bible while asking for money.

    I saw that. For a brief moment I thought of posting about it, but it was just too easy.