Obama and McCain: Their Views on Science

IF THIS article we found is accurate, those with a concern for science have little to fear from either candidate, so you’re free to cast your votes for other reasons. This assumes, of course, that the candidates are being truthful and will remain constant to their current positions. Big assumptions.

We think this is from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, but it’s one of those sites that seems to accommodate several news sources: Obama and McCain tackle the high-tech world. Here are some excerpts — bold font is in the original article:

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama

Quote: “We’ve got to invest in science and technology. China had a space launch and a space walk. We’ve got to make sure that our children are keeping pace in math and in science.”

[…]

What he’s done in the past: Obama, a first-term senator, introduced legislation for White House coordination of science, technology, math and engineering education, and backed other high-tech education initiatives.

Flip-flop meter: Obama’s education investments were initially premised on delaying by five years NASA’s Constellation program for a return to the moon and maybe on to Mars. Obama dramatically reversed course this summer, and now backs the multibillion-dollar moon-Mars mission.

Well, so he’s flip-flopped a bit. Nobody’s perfect. Oh, a final excerpt about Obama:

Obama now suggests he would fund these ambitious goals through savings from ending the Iraq war. Yet space scientists worry Obama’s less than enthusiastic embrace of the manned space-flight program means he would cut the space budget to pay for some of his reforms — especially in the post financial-bailout world.

That one’s all cleared up. And now …

Republican Sen. John McCain

Quote: “I am intrigued by a man on Mars and I think that it would excite the imagination of the American people if we can say, ‘Hey, here’s what it looks like.'”

[…]

What he’s done in the past: McCain has been a reliable supporter of NASA and space science budgets for most of his 22 years in the Senate.

Flip-flop meter: Although McCain has previously championed federal funding for stem-cell research “to relieve human suffering,” some scientists detect a flop in McCain’s answers to the Science Debate 2008 group last month, when he said “clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values.”

Golly, they’re both flip-floppers. We’re shocked!

Oh, there’s also this — and it concerns Sarah Palin too:

Some scientists give McCain points for realism for backing heftier space budgets and incentives for high-tech teaching while advocating more targeting of other science investments. Yet others say his plans sound too much like business as usual, when the need for aggressive new federal initiatives is urgent.

McCain loses support among many scientists for his vice presidential pick of Sarah Palin, the daughter of a science teacher, who once said while campaigning for governor that she supported teaching both evolution and creationism in Alaska’s schools. Palin quickly amended that to support for allowing creationism to be discussed in the schools, without adding it to the curriculum. As governor, she has not sought to change school policies.

That was accurate regarding Palin’s position, so we have a high confidence level in this entire article.

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12 responses to “Obama and McCain: Their Views on Science

  1. Ah yes, the “rape kit” issue. Wassa big deal? My rape kit is just a roll of duct tape. (I’m teasing, Stacy.)

  2. Oooooh! You’re gonna get it! 😉

  3. Stacy, I will not let you cast your vote for President based on the “rape kit” issue. There’s gotta be something else going on that matters to you.

  4. LoL!! Have you been to my blog?? I cannot stand her. She’s not qualified to be Pres.
    (qualifications for VP are exactly the same) and I’m scared that McCain will die before his term is up. I’m not happy with him right about now either. He is pandering to the RR in every breath he takes it seems lately.

    He is not the man he used to be.

    She frightens the hell out of me.
    (Oh where’s the Digital Cuttlefish when you need him)?

  5. She wants to drill in ANWR. She’s still trying to talk McCain into it.

    We probably COULD drill there safely but what if there is an accident? How are we going to clean it up? Has anyone thought about that?

    She is in favor of hunting wolves with airplanes and even went so far as to veto legislation making it illegal. The legislation was put forward because the people in her state are against the practice.

    We just found out that she billed 17K to the state for perdiem on nights she spent at home.

    She is under investigation for HOW MANY things?

    She wants to push abstinence only sex ed.

    She is a YEC (it actually scares me that her dad was a science teacher – I have to wonder what he was teaching … was it a “Freshwater” type of class)?

    Her husband belongs to a secessionist (sp?) party.
    “Talk about guilt by association”!

    I don’t think she has a clue about anything!

    And I STILL think she was trying to find a way to rid the library of some objectionable books.

    There is not just 1 reason – rape kits – but TOO MANY reasons. Just too many.

  6. Stacy S. says:

    I don’t think she has a clue about anything!

    Yes, in contrast to the community organizer. He’s so woooonderful!

    I think if I did a blog about politics, instead of this creepy evolution stuff, I could really generate some heavy traffic. When the election is over, what are we going to talk about?

  7. I imagine there are enough YEC’ers to keep the Curmudgeon busy for quite some time. 🙂

  8. jaredcormier

    Here’s a bit of something you missed out on:
    “When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: ‘Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information.

    Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'”
    from
    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/politics/election2008/news-article.aspx?storyid=117977&catid=221
    The phrasing used is highly similar to the “teach the controversy” line used by ID proponents. Teach both? Are you serious? What kind of idiot are you if you want to teach both? Oh, that’s right, a creationist idiot. I have yet to hear a rational, reasonable case for “teaching both” because frankly, creationism/ID has absolutely no evidence, and thus no reason to be in a science classroom. No implicit or explicit evidence=not science. The only place creationism should be taught is in a mythology course along with many other myths. Oden, Gilgamesh, Gaia, etc.

  9. jaredcormier says:

    Here’s a bit of something you missed out on …

    Thanks, but I didn’t miss it. In fact, this may have been the first blog to report about it: Sarah Palin: Creationist?

  10. moribundhund

    Let’s see now. Stacy gives a number of quite excellent reasons not to vote for Palin (and by extension, McCain), and the Curmudgeon’s comeback is a sarcastic comment about “the community organizer.” Y’know, Curmudgeon, it’s been pretty clear for awhile that you really don’t have a leg to stand on with respect to your support of the loonies in the Republican party. Hell, even Chris Buckley has finally jumped ship. It’s not about conservatism versus some perceived socialism. I’d love to be able to vote for a Republican who actually stood for something akin to fiscal conservatism, as opposed to just flushing every vestige of American competitiveness down the drain. Like it or not, Obama is more of a fiscal conservative in this election than McCain. So unless you want to actually put some real arguments out there, like Stacy, your snide asides make you look like, well, the same sort of folks you regularly lampoon.

  11. moribundhund says:

    Y’know, Curmudgeon, it’s been pretty clear for awhile that you really don’t have a leg to stand on with respect to your support of the loonies in the Republican party.

    You’d be much happier hanging out at some other blog.