Beware of Creationists’ Best Arguments

FOR this Fourth of July weekend, your Curmudgeon brings you an important article from Answers in Genesis (AIG), one of the major sources of young-earth creationist wisdom. It’s titled What to Tell a Friend That Believes in Evolution.

This is important, so pay attention. It’s a presentation of AIG’s best of arguments against the theory of evolution, written in the form of AIG’s answer to somebody’s question. Here are some excerpts, with bold added by us:

[Question:] My friend believes in evolution. Can you offer any advice like what to tell him? Thank you for any information you can give me!

[Answer:] Thanks for contacting Answers in Genesis. The answer to your question depends on what your friend specifically believes. Does he believe God used evolution to create, or does he not believe in God at all, relying on atheistic evolution as the basic reason we are all here?

That’s the setup. AIG then starts with the second of those two possibilities — the “Nonbeliever”:

If your friend does not believe in God, I would suggest reading [link omitted]. As the article says, there is no rational reason for atheisim [sic], which is just another religion.

There’s no reason to believe in “just another religion”? Okay, let’s read on:

Saying that God’s Word is the only rational explanation for the universe — and everything in it — targets an atheist’s beliefs at their starting point. Scripture gives a reason for logic whereas evolution does not.

Actually, no. We’ve discussed that before. See: Creationism and Logic. Let’s continue:

However, I would not start with this argument, as we need to show him our starting point first. Starting with Scripture, show him there really is a God who created the universe as Scripture states in [scripture reference omitted]. If Scripture will not convince him, then nothing will, so it is definitely important to continue using Scripture when talking with your friend.

Now the article moves on to the other kind of evolutionist — the “Believer”:

Basically, it comes down to trusting God’s Word or man’s word when one says God used evolution. First, you should ask him to read through Genesis 1 — chances are that he may have never closely read through Genesis 1 for himself. Ask him to make logical conclusions strictly from the text without any philosophies of man, including scientists [scripture link omitted].

Wow — what a tactic! Insist on debating evolution using only scripture, without any scientific information at all. We wonder if that would work with somebody like Richard Dawkins. Well, he’s not a believer. What about, say, Kenneth Miller? Wait — AIG seems to have considered that that.

If your friend continues to appeal to scientists and theologians who have also given up the historical account of Genesis to agree with evolution, then point out that what he is doing is considering fallible people to be equal to God and His Word.

This is powerful stuff! It’s a long article, so here’s one final excerpt:

In your discussions with your friend, remember to bring God’s Word into the conversation, as it is the best tool you can use: [scripture quote deleted].

Now that you know the arguments AIG has at their disposal, our advice is that you don’t debate them. They’re too strong.

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8 responses to “Beware of Creationists’ Best Arguments

  1. Wow, that’s truly sad. Don’t they understand that atheists DON”T BELIEVE IN A GOD! So giving them books and saying you should believe them because they are written by God is guaranteed to make you look stupid to them. Yeah and telling your poor converter to harp on about how logical Genesis is may be a bad minefield to throw your poor little person into if the atheist has done just a bit of research. What are they trying to do? Get their followers incinerated and humiliated by logic?

  2. When trying to convince your atheist friend, “If Scripture will not convince him, then nothing will, so it is definitely important to continue using Scripture when talking with your friend.” Really? It seems to me, once someone starts spouting scripture to an atheist as being some sort of reasonable argument, all the atheist will hear is “blah, blah, blah.”

  3. RogerE says:

    Really? It seems to me, once someone starts spouting scripture …

    No, you gotta just keep quoting scripture over and over. Never let up, never quit. Just keep going. That’s the way to win!

  4. retiredsciguy

    “When trying to convince your atheist friend, “If Scripture will not convince him, then nothing will, so it is definitely important to continue using Scripture when talking with your friend.”

    Isn’t this the very definition of circular logic? I mean, “Believe that the Bible is true, because the Bible says it’s true.” I’m sure this argument will work to convince any intelligent doubter.

  5. “If you can’t convince the doubter, get out your iPhone…”

  6. I hope the friend isn’t instructed to carefully read and compare the timelines of Genesis 1 and 2!

  7. Why don’t they follow their own advice?

    They’re writing sentences that aren’t just quotations from Scripture. They’re using words like “evolution” that don’t occur in the Bible. The Bible nowhere says “evolution is false”. The Bible doesn’t say “there is no random variation and natural selection”. The Bible doesn’t say, “there is no common ancestry”. The Bible doesn’t have anything to say about most of the world of life (microbes).

    @retiredscienceguy, it isn’t circular – it’s a broken circle – because the Bible nowhere says, “the Bible is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”. The Bible literalists make stuff up and then claim that what they make up is in the Bible.

    considering fallible people to be equal to God and His Word.

  8. If the poor fellow is unlucky enough to talk to an atheist who happens to be truly interested in the bible, then he might get an education himself. A lot of atheists, myself included, read quite a bit about the history or the bible, textual scholarship, etc. It’s an interesting subject. Quoting scripture to such a person would be not be a good debating tactic.