Glenn Beck Ain’t No Kin to No Monkey

We first learned of this audio tape at Little Green Footballs, so they get the hat-tip.

They link to a tape from Media Matters. It’s only about three minutes long, so click over to either place and listen. It’s most amusing. Not to mention tragic. One little excerpt:

I haven’t seen the half-monkey half-person yet.

Go ahead, click over there and listen. You don’t want to miss this.

The last time we took a shot at Beck was here: Glenn Beck on Darwin and Racism, and before that it was here: Hey, Glenn Beck!

We used to watch the guy, as there was a time when he said some things worth hearing, but he seems to have fallen off the edge of the flat earth.

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22 responses to “Glenn Beck Ain’t No Kin to No Monkey

  1. Gabriel Hanna

    SC, I never watched him but if he’s a Mormon, he was almost certainly a creationist from the beginning.

    Mormons believe in a lot of objectively nutty things–I’m not talking about religious principles. Creationism is more reasonable than their version of pre-Columbian history.

    You can find people who defend free-market principles or whatever who don’t believe in fables from the Bronze Age or the nineteenth century, and the principles stand or fall on their own merits anyway. It’s too bad that a guy like him has to be one of the public faces of that, but there’s not much to be done.

  2. Gabriel Hanna says:

    I never watched him but if he’s a Mormon, he was almost certainly a creationist from the beginning.

    He was actually pretty good in some criticisms of the Obama administration. But hey — how difficult is that? Anyway, he’s way out there now. I guess that concluding he’s okay by induction isn’t reliable. But it sure is testable.

  3. Really? Glenn Beck once said something worth hearing?

    Sorry, that I don’t believe!

    Well, unless he said, “Betty definitely over Veronica.”

  4. Gabriel Hanna

    “Betty definitely over Veronica.”

    I’ll stick up for Veronica.

  5. SC, I never watched him but if he’s a Mormon, he was almost certainly a creationist from the beginning.

    IIRC he’s Mormon by conversion via his wife.

  6. Gabriel Hanna

    IIRC he’s Mormon by conversion via his wife.

    Then he doesn’t have the excuse of having been brought up to it. Converted Mormons, in my experience, put a lot more time into reading the Mormon scriptures than those who were brought up to the faith.

  7. Gabriel Hannah wrote:

    He was actually pretty good in some criticisms of the Obama administration. But hey — how difficult is that?

    I’m not inclined to listen to Glenn Beck, and my primary exposure to him has been through parodies, generally via The Daily Show. Gabe’s comment got me to thinking: it hasn’t occurred to me to explore if Beck might also have some good criticisms. OK … maybe he does *. Why then, if he is able to make good criticisms, would he go off the rails with statements like the clip above? It strike me as deceitful, and very similar to the Discoveroids own Wedge Strategy, to insert bits that might be reasonable ** as bait, then switch to their own agenda.

    So what is Beck’s agenda, and is it really so low, so awful, that it needs tactics like this to support it? *** Whatever happened to using rational arguments to support a good idea?

    * my own politics might disagree, but this isn’t about my politics.
    ** I’m being generous.
    *** I’m just ranting, no answer required.

  8. Tomato Addict, I said that, not Gabe. But it’s okay to pick on him.

  9. Tomato Addict

    *Oops* Attributus Incorrectus.

    My intent was not to pick on anyone, but to try to consider an alternate viewpoint. Thanks for making me think about it.

  10. What I find funny about Beck is the fact that the Christian Religious Right follows him and is all, “Yeah, Beck! You’re totally right, man!!! You totally know how the evil liberals are ruining our country and taking God out of everything. You rock Glenn Beck!”

    Then on Sunday, they’re all “Those Mormons are totally a cult. Have you heard that they wear magic UNDERWEAR????? Have you heard that they think that BLACK PEOPLE are colored because they refused to side with God in the great Heavenly War against Satan before Adam and Eve??? Have you heard that they think that if you’re good enough, you can become a GOD with your Goddess wife and have the power to create a totally new universe???????????? OH. MY. GAWD! They are such SINNERS! They are TOTALLY going to hell!!!!!”

    Just sayin’.

  11. I never watched him but if he’s a Mormon, he was almost certainly a creationist from the beginning.

    Really? I was a grad student of one of the top Mormon scientists in the world, who was a bishop in the church and close relation (brother in law) to the (at the time) president of the church. Not only was he NOT a creationist, he took pains to point out that the church leaders who said those stupid things were expressing their own beliefs and that doctrine did NOT require a belief in young earth or creationism.

    Beck is an entertainer. Sorry, I take the Mormon scientists a lot more seriously about science and Beck a lot more seriously about how to entertain and get great ratings.

  12. Gabriel Hanna

    @SY: Mormons have been excommunicated for less.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six

    I knew Mormons who did accept evolution. It was pretty rare.

    @Tomato Addict:

    Belief in creationism is orthogonal to belief in economic theories. There’s no contradiction in having conventional notions on one and nutty ones on another.

    @LRA:

    I can’t believe you think Christian fundamentalists don’t know Beck is a Mormon. Of course they know that. Those who listen to him listen for completely different reasons. Everybody knows Mitt Romney and Orrin Hatch are Mormons, maybe not as many know about Harry Reid. Some fundamentalists might vote against these people for being Mormon, but others won’t.

  13. Gabriel Hanna

    @SY:

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon456.html

    Here you can read about people excommunicated for rejecting the account of the origin of Native Americans presented in the Book of Mormon.

    I’m sure your advisor was sincere, but his opinion is quite contrary to LDS doctrine.

  14. Tomato Addict

    @Gabriel

    OK, but how many beliefs that are orthogonal to reality does he need to have before he loses all credibility? Perhaps Beck has conventional notions of economics (or something), but how are we to distinguish that from nuttery without having a superior knowledge of economics to start with?

    I am perhaps ignoring the obvious, that Glenn Beck is an entertainer who will say anything that improves his ratings and draws in more money. Perhaps that is his only agenda – but it doesn’t seem like it.

  15. Gabriel Hanna

    OK, but how many beliefs that are orthogonal to reality does he need to have before he loses all credibility?

    If Glenn Beck says the Earth goes around the Sun, is that less true because he doesn’t believe in evolution? Every statement he makes has to be evaluated on its own merits, or otherwise you’re arguing ad hominem. “Glenn Beck doesn’t believe in evolution, so he’s wrong about entirely unrelated subjects” is a fallacy.

  16. “Every statement he makes has to be evaluated on its own merits, or otherwise you’re arguing ad hominem.”

    So, how much BS do you take from someone before you realize you’re better off ignoring them entirely? If my clock is correct twice a day, should I keep paying attention to it or get a new clock?

  17. Tomato Addict

    Every statement he makes has to be evaluated on its own merits, or otherwise you’re arguing ad hominem.

    And again, if his statements exceed our own knowledge of economics (or orbital dynamics) how are we to distinguish his opinion from nuttery? At what point should we begin to question his credibility?
    Michael Behe might also make some correct statements about biochemical evolution, and his knowledge of chemistry certainly exceeds mine. Shall we go seek his opinion on evolution, or do we think he has lost all credibility on the topic? Science has a more rigorous way of testing credibility than does politics, so perhaps this is not fair counter-example.

    I’m sure that Glenn Beck has many fine opinions, but I do not view him as credible, and I would not seek his opinion on any important topic. I don’t trust him. Admittedly I don’t listen to him either, so I’m not actually missing very much either way.

  18. Tomato Addict

    Gabriel: Please understand I do not mean to be attacking *you*. I appreciate your opinion and that you are willing to share it, but I don’t expect we will always agree. I am interested in getting at why we disagree, which is a deeper question.

  19. Here you can read about people excommunicated for rejecting the account of the origin of Native Americans presented in the Book of Mormon.
    Mormons have been excommunicated for less.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six

    Proving my point- these have nothing to do with evolution and you’re apparently unable to find relevant examples. My adviser not only accepted the reality of old earth, evolution, and the acceptance of the scientific evidence, he was a critical part of the church hierarchy, wrote about evolution, and is to this day one of the persons most honored by the church.

    There’s a lot of good reasons to criticize the LDS church, but promotion of creationism and persecution of scientists who publicly state their views on the truth of natural selection aren’t among them.

  20. Gabriel Hanna

    @SY: When I said “excommunicated for less”, I meant exactly that. You can believe in evolution and not get kicked out of the church, but scientists and historians who don’t take the church line on nineteenth-century history and pre Columbian history get excommunicated. It is much less crazy to take the Bible literally than to take the Book of Mormon literally–take a week to read it if you haven’t.

    Almost every Mormon I have known personally were young earth creationists–I was raised a Mormon and we went to church and I never heard anyone speak up for evolution. After I left the church, one or two Mormons I knew said to me privately that they accepted evolution.

  21. OK, Gabe, then as an ex-LDS, the name “Kimball” will mean something to you. So will the name “Eyring.” Didn’t notice that Eyring got tossed out of the church… When Bruce McConkie (a name you will also know) made an anti-evolution statement, Eyring’s response was pretty similar to that of St. Augustine.

    For those of you who aren’t chemists, Eyring was the father of modern chemical kinetics theory, a cornerstone of molecular evolution and the origins of life. He was denied a Nobel on purely political grounds.

  22. Gabriel Hanna

    @SY: Different prophets said different things, about evolution, at different times. Glenn Beck is much closer to the Mormon mainstream, as I experienced it; that’s what I’ve been trying to say. The Church hierarchy is not a hotbed of indulgence for free inquiry. These are people who claim literally to receive instructions from God on a regular basis.