Herman Cain Is a Creationist

We pretty much know who the creationists are among the GOP presidential candidates. The last time we posted about it was Jon Huntsman on Evolution & Global Warming. And our big, all-encompassing post which we started in mid 2009 and keep updating is Which 2012 Presidential Challengers Are Creationists?

To simplify things, they’re all creationists, except for Huntsman, Gingrich, and Romney. But until today we’ve been unable to pin down Herman Cain. The question of his position came up in comments to this post about creationist legislators, but nobody had any answers.

It may not matter any more, considering the press maelstrom in which Cain’s being swirled around, but we think we’ve got him figured out. Check out this story in the Miami HeraldHerman Cain’s Florida team largely silent on allegations.

Most of the article is about all the sexual harassment allegations that are bouncing around in the media. We have no opinion about any of that at this point. But the mess has brought something to our attention. The Herald says, with bold font added by us:

From grassroots activists to elected officials leading the Cain campaign in Florida, most supporters say they have yet to see solid enough evidence to soften their support.

“Naturally it gives me pause, and I pay attention to sexual harassment having been sexually harassed myself and being in a male-dominated field,’’ said state Sen. Ronda Storms, a Cain supporter from Valrico.

That essentially clinches it. Ronda Storms was the creationist queen of the Florida Senate back in 2008. See: Buffoon Award Winner — Ronda Storms. To remind you of Ronda’s glory days three years ago, see Her Most Rapturous Moment. Here’s Rapturous Ronda’s page at the Florida Senate’s website.

It’s difficult to believe that anyone would sexually harass Ronda, but that’s a side issue. The important thing is that she wouldn’t endorse anyone for President without being certain that he was a flaming, full-blown creationist.

Is there anything else in the Herald article besides Ronda’s support? Oh yes, there’s also this:

“Based on what’s in the public domain so far … it would be unfortunate for these (accusations) to be something that would remove him from the race. …I’m hoping the press will really drill down into the backgrounds and motivations of the two accusers,” said state Rep. Scott Plakon, R-Longwood, a top Cain supporter in Florida.

If Plakon is a “top Cain supporter in Florida” then Cain must be bad — really bad. Scott Plakon is the brains behind Florida’s Theocratic Constitutional Amendment.

There’s much more in that news article, but we found what we wanted. It’s clear — at least to us — that Herman Cain is a creationist.

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24 responses to “Herman Cain Is a Creationist

  1. It’s difficult to believe that anyone would sexually harass Ronda, but that’s a side issue.

    – That comment is flagrantly inappropriate.

  2. That’s a bit of a hair trigger response, Anonymous. I’m sure that the Curmudgeon simply referred to Ronda’s ability to look after herself.

  3. Having the ability to look after oneself does not mean one will not be sexually harassed. As a matter of fact, with some harassers, that only makes the “game” more fun, so I agree that the remark is inappropriate, although I found the rest of the article informative. It would not surprise me one bit to find out that Cain is a flaming creationist.

  4. Of the three non-creationists, I’d still worry about Romney. He’s such a windsock that, were he president, I have no doubt that he’d pass pro-creationist legislation if he thought it would benefit his reelection.

  5. Ellie says: “so I agree that the remark is inappropriate”

    Y’all are gonna have to work this out among yourselves. It cannot be that these two remarks are both sexual harassment:
    (1) Hey, Ronda, let’s see whatcha got under your skirt.
    (2 Yuk, Ronda, I have no interest in what’s under your skirt.

  6. I’m with eric on this–Romney seems unable to maintain a position for more than 24 hours, so there’s no way to know what he really believes about evolutionary theory. The man’s a natural-born weathervane, and he’ll say whatever he thinks will get him some votes. Gingrich might be an evolutionist; but the only candidate who’s been explicit about his stand is Huntsman. And, of course, Huntsman has no chance to win the nomination in the face of the ravening teabaggers.

  7. Cain might indeed be a creationist, but that he has creationist supporters cannot tell you anything about whether or not he himself is a creationist.

    Creationists are not single-issue voters.

  8. The more I read this post the less happy I get with it. Does Herman Cain even know who Ronda Storms IS? Perhaps Ronda would only vote for someone she “was certain” is a creationist but how would she know?

    This is just guilt by association–and it’s ONE-WAY association, from what is presented here. Because Cain has not to my knowledge endorsed Ronda Storms for anything.

  9. Gabriel Hanna says: “that he has creationist supporters cannot tell you anything …”

    It tells me quite a bit — not with certainty, but close enough. Ronda would be most unlikely to support someone who was forthright about his acceptance of the theory of evolution. There are plenty of creationists she can support — Bachmann, Santorum, etc. She chose Cain. I think my conclusion is a safe bet.

  10. Gabriel Hanna says:

    Perhaps Ronda would only vote for someone she “was certain” is a creationist but how would she know?

    Here’s an old news article about Cain’s surprising win in the Florida straw poll Herman Cain wins Florida straw poll in stunning victory. I think the “voters” were party politicians. I don’t know, but I assume Ronda was there. One little quote:

    Cain’s momentum was evident throughout the weekend. At a faith rally before the debate and a conservative forum after, Cain earned the loudest applause.

    So although Cain may not know who Ronda is, I’m guessing that she’s confident about Cain.

  11. Pete,
    Just to be clear, I think that ideologically Romney is pro-science. I simply think his personal ideology is not a good predictor of how he will govern.

    On Huntsman, you were right on Monday. But a lot of ultra-conservative efforts failed on Tuesday. I am optimistic that GOP leadership will reevaluate their current ‘listen to the ravening horde’ strategy in light of its lack of actual ballot-box success at the local level, and maybe throw some more support Huntsman’s way. There’s still a year to go, after all.
    I recognize that that’s a very tenuous hope. What can I say? The door seemed shut on Huntsman at the beginning of the week. Now at least there may be a crack of light peeking through. Next week it could be shut again, and you’ll be right again. But for now: history, learn, doom, repeat, etc…

  12. Ceteris Paribus

    Curmudgeon says: “It cannot be that these two remarks are both sexual harassment:
    (1) Hey, Ronda, let’s see whatcha got under your skirt.
    (2 Yuk, Ronda, I have no interest in what’s under your skirt.”

    False: Both statements can be true. The point of harassment is simply that unless either comment was made at the explicit request of the listener, voluntarily offering any unsolicited evaluation of a persons sexuality opens the door to it being perceived as harassment.

    We can’t know what is in Cain’s mind, or that he made any comment whatsoever. But if he did offer it voluntarily, it would reveal a mind that is capable of diminishing the value of any other individual under some set of circumstances. And that’s not a person that you want to have in a position of power.

  13. I’ve been wondering about this myself

    To date, as far as I can tell, Cain seems to have no interest in The Controversy. Of course, that does not mean he is not a creationist.

    So how could Ronda be so sure Cain is her kind of rabid creationist? Do they use secret coded hand signals to identify themselves when on TV?

  14. Jack – I think that’s Gabriel’s point. Maybe Ronda is mistaken and SC is believing her mistake.
    I doubt it matters. Barring some miracle, he probably won’t make it to the primary vote and even if he does, I say with confidence that I don’t see his name appearing on the general election ballot with an (R) next to it.

  15. Tomato Addict

    eric writes: “I am optimistic that GOP leadership will reevaluate their current ‘listen to the ravening horde’ strategy in light of its lack of actual ballot-box success at the local level, and maybe throw some more support Huntsman’s way.”

    *Very* optimistic.

    It would be a sign of sanity returning to the GOP if it did happen, but I don’t think any of the big campaign funders (for either party) are ear-marking their contributions for “sanity”.

  16. Curmudgeon, I think you’re probably right, and Cain is a creationist (actually, I think it’s almost certain). However, to assume he is based on the information that you cite in this post is a little bit disappointing. To be honest, it kind of makes it seem like you’re jumping to conclusions. Again, I’m sure you’re right, but still, there are other reasons to think that than “he’s backed by a creationist”.

  17. Now, if Ken Ham were to endorse Cain, well then…

  18. Tomato Addict

    How likely is it that a man like Ken Ham would endorse a black man named Cain? On the other hand, Ham probably thinks Obama is the anti-Christ, so maybe the Cain-thing is OK.

  19. I, too, think Cain’s position, if pressed to give one, is probably creationist. However, he may not really care that much about the issue. I think many tepid creationists take that position because they have been bombarded with propaganda that equates evolution with atheism and it was the dominant position in the social environment they grew up in, not because they have given it much thought. They are ignorant and uninformed about what the ToE actually is and says. I’m not making excuses for them, just recognizing the facts. Ham and the DI exploit this ignorance and childhood brain washing.

    I would have guessed Ronda would support Perry, who I think is a YEC. So that she enthusiastically supports Cain is puzzling considering Cain has said nothing about The Controversy. But then, rabid creationists are not exactly rational, so… shrug.

    I don’t think it matters much. I doubt Cain will be the nominee. At the moment I think it will be either Romney or Newt.

  20. At the moment I think it will be either Romney or Newt.

    Whether it’s Romney, Newt, or Huntsman, as soon as it’s settled, those who talked of “returning sanity” will be calling them dangerous extremists. We’re already seeing the change in tone re: Romney aren’t we?

  21. @SC: Is it naive of me to think that a post title “Herman Cain is a creationist” would cite actual evidence of Herman Cain’s own thoughts on the matter, and not what small-time lunatics in Florida might possibly think his thoughts are?

    Because that’s what you’ve got here. A creationist is a apparently a Cain supporter, therefore Cain is a creationist. Seriously? Creationists, of course, are never wrong or mistaken about anything, care only about creationism and know other issue, and can infallibly identify each other, right.

    What about gay men who support Herman Cain? Would that make Cain gay, or tell you what his views on issues important to gays are? How would that go along with Ronda Storms’ endorsement? Would you revise the remarks you made here in that case?

  22. Gabriel Hanna asks:

    Is it naive of me to think that a post title “Herman Cain is a creationist” would cite actual evidence of Herman Cain’s own thoughts on the matter, and not what small-time lunatics in Florida might possibly think his thoughts are?

    No, and with that title I have betrayed the trust I’ve attempted to establish here. I actually intended to title the thing: “Herman Cain, probably a creationist”. I used the title I did because I thought it would make a bigger splash, and that the contents of the article would explain the title.

    I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone. You can all read the article to determine for yourself whether Cain is or he isn’t a creationist. I think it’s highly likely that he is, and that Ronda knows he is.

  23. “I think it’s highly likely that he is, and that Ronda knows he is.”

    You might have a HUNCH, but it’s not based on anything factual.

    And hey, he’ll probably say he’s a creationist at some point if he is one–they can never keep that to themselves–so you might soon get to use that headline for real.

  24. CaIn is, IIRC, a Baptist minister, so it would not surprise me if he cleaves to creationist beliefs.

    That said, Ronda ‘s support might be because he’s Baptist, not that he’s overtly creationist.

    More to the point, and to Cain’s credit, he wastes little time campaigning on social issues or the urgency to jam Creationism into the classroom — instead focusing on economic issues. This sets him apart from the pernicious Creationists who cannot resist the temptation to reach for the levers of government power to promote their personal religious views.

    He might be the rare bird who has creationist personal views, but has the good sense to separate them from his public role if elected to office. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until we hear something more definitive than “Ronda loves him.”