Creationist Weirdness in the UK

We don’t want to neglect our non-US readers, so here are two articles about creationism in the UK. The first is in London’s Daily Mail: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution… because it ‘clashes with the Koran’.

Thrilling news, huh? Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

Muslim students, including trainee doctors on one of Britain’s leading medical courses, are walking out of lectures on evolution claiming it conflicts with creationist ideas established in the Koran.

Professors at University College London have expressed concern over the increasing number of biology students boycotting lectures on Darwinist theory, which form an important part of the syllabus, citing their religion.

The story goes on and on, but the key points we want to make are these: (1) the US isn’t the only country plagued by creationism; and (2) creationism isn’t a problem restricted to only a few Christian denominations. One more excerpt:

Sources within the group Muslims4UK partly blame the growing popularity of creationist beliefs within Islam on Turkish author Harun Yahya who, influenced by the success of Christian creationists in America, has written several books denouncing Darwinist theory.

Yahya associates Dawinism with Nazism and his books are and videos are available at many Islamic bookshops in the UK and regularly feature on Islamic television channels.

We’ve written about that guy several times, most recently: Harun Yahya: Creationist Revival in New Zealand.

Now let’s move on to the second UK story, Christian free school bid runs into protest, which appears in the Sheffield Telegraph in South Yorkshire. The bold font was added by us:

Plans to launch a Christian free school in Sheffield have triggered opposition from the British Humanist Association [BHA].

Bethany School at Netherthorpe is looking to create ten centres across the city, which would combine to create a single free school, run independently but funded by the state.

Why all the fuss? Let’s read on:

The BHA recently fought a similar plan in Newark, which was rejected last month because of concerns over creationism, the belief that life was created by a unique act of God.

This week an open letter from the London-based organisation – which employs a campaigner against faith schools – raised similar fears over the Sheffield plan.

Now we understand. Let’s continue:

The BHA letter expresses concern at the ‘continuing confidence of creationist groups in applying to open free schools’ and calls on the Government to take firmer steps against them.

It goes on to point out that guest speaker at the recent Sheffield public meeting was prominent creationist Sylvia Baker, that creationism is a key focus at the Bethany School and that the new school admits its curriculum will be ‘broadly based’ on themes in the book of Genesis.

The Brits don’t have separation of church and state, yet it seems that they’ve been able to keep creationist schools from being funded by the government simply on rational grounds. We hope they continue to be successful.

There’s more to the article, but we’ve given you a hint of what’s going on. If UK creationism interests you, click over to the Sheffield Telegraph and read the whole article.

We extend our sympathies to those in the UK who must deal with this mess. Some of it may have been imported from the US, but not all of it. Welcome, cousins, to The Controversy.

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6 responses to “Creationist Weirdness in the UK

  1. The sheer irrationality of much of this is breathtaking!
    1. Islam has no doctrine against evolution (and neither does Christianity, for that matter). American creationists worked for 40 years to convince Moslems that creationism was a good idea — Harun Yahya was the sucker who took the bait. Creationism is a fundamentalist Christian doctrine not found in either the Bible or the Koran.

    Why is Harun Yahya advocating Christian fundamentalist doctrine? Who knows? Why are other suckers following him in? They don’t know Islam and the Koran in the first place.

    2. Darwinism leads to Nazi-ism? Um, don’t look now, but somebody’s intellectual fly is down. Several nations and lots of Moslems supported the Nazis. HInt: That support had nothing to do with Darwin, since Hitler and Nazis didn’t know Darwin, but instead opposed evolution and burned Darwin’s books.

    Can we get a little consistency in idiotic claims here?

  2. Islam has no doctrine against evolution, but you have to consider the cultural and intellectual context in which most Muslims live – in that context, Creationism is a perfect fit for the religiously conservative. Organized Creationism didn’t exist within Islam until recently, but it is an inevitable product of Islamic fundamentalism which rejects any modern ideas which don’t fit into its interpretations of the Koran.

    The emergence of Islamic Creationism as an organized movement would have happened even if Christian Creationism didn’t exist. Christian Creationism was a convenient shortcut for Islamic fundamentalists to pick up “useful” arguments against evolution, but they would have figured out these arguments on their own even if Christian Creationism didn’t exist. After all as noted Christianity has no doctrine against evolution either, yet many Christians objected to evolution anyway, and thus Creationism was born.

    It isn’t just evolution which many Muslims object to on Islamic fundamentalist grounds, but many other parts of modern science as well, which they believe are not supported by, or are contradicted by the Koran. You’ll find a lot more flat-earthers and geo-centrists in the Islamic world than in the Christian West for instance, and thus Islamic Creationism should be expected.

    Iraqi TV Debate: Is the Earth Flat?

  3. And to forestall any misunderstandings, I’m not suggesting that most Muslims are flat-earthers. I assume that most aren’t.

    But it is telling that you could actually have a debate on Iraqi TV with a flat-earther, whereas flat-earthism in the West is almost completely extinct even amongst the religious fundamentalists. Christian fundamentalists now resort to mis-translations of the Bible (ie mis-interpreting a circle drawn out with a compass – ie a flat circle – and calling said circle a “sphere”, when it is obvious from context that a flat earth is being described). Christian fundamentalists have given up on that battle and now try to pretend that their Bible was right about the shape of the Earth all along.

    Of course, if Christian fundamentalists were numerous enough and militant enough to take over governments and kill their enemies with impunity, who knows what kinds of crazy things they would suddenly start believing again – including (why not?) a flat earth.

  4. The alleged “mess” is the fault of evotards who are obviously so sad they cannot produce positive evidence for their position.

    But hey you can’t even produce a testable hypothesis.

    Yup, go ahead and attack me but that will never help your position produce anything.

  5. Joe G
    Just because you ignore all the masses of evidence does not mean it does not exist.
    Burst your creotard bubble and join the real world.

  6. Very Sorry, I shouldn’t be feeding the troll.
    On topic, surely these “students” should just be failed. Their places could then be given to more deserving people who have missed out on places due to this stupidity.