Creationist Wisdom #228: Let Students Decide

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the The Republic of Columbus, Indiana. The letter is titled Students should decide between creation, evolution. We’ll give you a few excerpts, enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, and some bold font for emphasis. As we usually do we’ll omit the writer’s name and city. Okay, here we go:

There are many recent attacks in the press and media about freedom of religion. Almost all have an element of separation of church and state. The Constitution offers no such separation.

That’s one of the greatest lies promoted by theocrats, and the letter-writer has fallen for it. We debunked it totally in Ken Ham Unhinged: Creationism & Theocracy Too. Let’s read on:

The Founding Fathers, including Jefferson, were mostly interested in protecting the church from the state rather than vice-versa.

Well, it’s true that the First Amendment has that effect for minority churches, but it’s an argument we haven’t seen before in this context. The letter continues:

One of the most important debates of late concern [sic] whether or not creationism should be taught in schools. Most references for the Creation come from Genesis … . Other books of the Bible contain references to it. In particular is the book of Job.

The letter-writer then goes on at length to lecture us about Job. We’ll skip that, but you’ll certainly want to click over there to study it for yourself. Here’s more:

Evolution is defined as a process of change which goes on around us all the time.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Moving along:

Certainly, the Wright Brothers did not invent the 747.

Great example of evolution! Another excerpt:

The problem is that present day discussions of evolution get distorted by the Origin of Species.

Right. Darwin distorted evolution! Here’s an example:

It is a radical belief to think that life started when lightning struck a mud-puddle.

Yes, Darwin was a radical. But that was just to get you warmed up for the stunning conclusion to today’s letter:

I believe that true Creation should be taught along with the theory of evolution. Then students can decide which version they choose to believe in. In the process, they might learn of his amazing Grace — which would be a good thing.

That is so … inspirational!

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5 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #228: Let Students Decide

  1. Ceteris Paribus

    “Certainly, the Wright Brothers did not invent the 747.”

    Of course not. The 747 was an invention of Tesla, but stolen from him by nefarious operatives sent by the CIA.

  2. “‘The Founding Fathers, including Jefferson, were mostly interested in protecting the church from the state rather than vice-versa.’
    Well, it’s true that the First Amendment has that effect for minority churches, but it’s an argument we haven’t seen before in this context.”
    I see this argument all the time, in any context, from people who want allowed what the 1st Amendment plainly forbids- religion in government. The idea is that the wall of separation is some sort of magical one-way wall that allows their church whatever influence they desire in government (usually involving social issues, i.e., other people’s business), but forbidding the vice-versa. Your Madison quotes from ” Ken Ham Unhinged: Creationism & Theocracy Too” pretty effectively dispose of that silly interpretation of the FF’s intentions, but that won’t stop the meme. You’re arguing with people who believe that God’s rhetorical questions to Job are evidence for Creationism, and who reference the bible to prove the truth of what the bible says.

  3. Just to check the creationist quotes, in this case his paraphrases, I went to Job and read the referenced verses. No where in the verses is there a reference to tilting the earth to give seasons, as the letter writer alleges. In fact, the verses very clearly indicate a flat earth.

    Actually, it’s an interesting read http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38-41&version=NIV and describes what the biblical author, and probably most people of the time, thought magical and interesting. It’s also quite poetic. Definitely no tilt to the flat earth, though, for seasons or otherwise.

    I do have some advice to the letter writer though. Exposure to Genesis is unlikely to impart an impression of a god’s amazing grace. The entire chapter is almost continuous punishment for one thing or another, whether by bringing death to the world, committing worldwide genocide, or minor curses like plagues and random ordered killings. Pretty much zero grace in Genesis.

  4. The letter writer: “It is a radical belief to think that life started when lightning struck a mud-puddle.”

    And a strawman, which I suspect that the letter writer knows and pretends not to. Like the Curmudgeon’s “Retard-o-tron” I have a “Scam-o-tron” that goes off when a certain theshhold of parroted nonsense suggests that the parroter is at least partly aware that it is nonsense.

    Anyway, continuimg from the WND thread as promised, the fact is – and again I suspect the letter writer knows and just pretends not to – students already can and do decide to believe whatever they want, however falsified, mutually-contradictory, unfalsifiable it may be. They just can’t get credit for it on tests at taxpater expense. And no one is forcing their parents to send them to public school. In fact most of these “bleeding hearts” either home-school their kids or send them to fundamentalist schools – where they are not allowed to decide.

    Sorry, I won’t buy you a new irony meter.

  5. Not surprising that the comments to his opinion piece are both antagonistic to his ideas. Columbus is not known as a bastion of conservatism (although the state, as a whole, might be). Nobletucky, I mean Noblesville, is considered the True Bastion of Conservative Thought. Regardless, it’s nice to get these letters. Lets me know the good citizens of my home state are not shy about expressing their feelings.
    Regardless of just how flat-out insane and wrong they are.