Giant’s Causeway: “Refreshing” or “Baboonism”?

We’ve previously written about the creationist display at the Giant’s Causeway Visitors’ Centre — see Government Creationism in Northern Ireland. Today we found two articles that pretty much span the full spectrum of reactions.

The first is from Answers in Genesis (AIG), one of the major sources of young-earth creationist wisdom. AIG is the online creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia; and he’s the brains behind the infamous, mind-boggling Creation Museum — which has become the North American Mecca for the mindless.

What we found there is at ol’ Hambo’s personal blog: Refreshing News from Northern Ireland: But Would Secularists in the USA Be This Tolerant?

Refreshing news? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Here’s a bit of what he says, and then we’ll move on to the other reaction we found:

A news item from Northern Ireland will, I’m sure, create a lot of buzz among the intolerant secularists in the UK and America — the same people who frequently blast AiG and the Creation Museum with nasty name calling and false allegations because of their hatred of any organization that disseminates a creationist viewpoint to the public.

Then he quotes from some news story contrasting creationism and mainstream science, and he says:

Now while the phrase “mainstream science” is misleading, which implies that the creationist view is not “science” and the secularist one is (both are accounts about the past when no human observer was there — so both are different accounts of historical science), it is refreshing to see an exhibit at a major tourist attraction acknowledging the creationist view. I doubt anyone would ever see that happen in the USA!

No human observer was there? How does Hambo know? He wasn’t there, so he doesn’t know anything about it. Anyway, he thinks the display of creationism is “refreshing.” But our guess is that he’s probably more thrilled by the display of creationist political muscle. Dream on, Hambo.

There’s more to his article, including an account of an old dispute about selling creationism books at the Grand Canyon’s bookstore. Check it out for yourself if you like.

Now we’re going to the Belfast Telegraph, in which we read Richard Dawkins: Creationism at Giant’s Causeway ‘is intellectual baboonism’. It says:

The National Trust should not have buckled to pressure from the “intellectual baboons of young Earth creationism”, one of the world’s leading evolutionists has told the Belfast Telegraph.

One of Dawkins’ most admirable qualities is his clarity of speech. One might even say it’s refreshing. The news story continues:

Prof Dawkins said that while the trust exhibit presents the scientific view of the Earth’s age, the charity had also “paid lip service to the ignorant bigotry of ‘young Earth creationism’, a view which flies in the face not only of science, but of theology too”.

“The age of the Earth is a matter of scientific fact, not opinion, and balance and fairness do not enter into matters of fact.”

We find this situation very confusing. Ol’ Hambo says it’s refreshing, but Dawkins says it’s intellectual baboonism. How will we ever figure it out?

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13 responses to “Giant’s Causeway: “Refreshing” or “Baboonism”?

  1. The whole truth

    “intellectual baboons of young Earth creationism”

    Accusing creationists of being baboons is an insult to baboons.

  2. Speaking of AIG, the Creation Museum evolves: Hoping to add a life-size ark project, the museum hits fundraising trouble:

  3. NeonNoodle

    It’s the height of revisionism for a religious person (particularly Christians and Muslims) to complain of “secularist intolerance.” Historically, the situation was overwhelmingly the reverse. Ken Humbug, your glaring hypocrisy is showing. You’ll never get to Heaven that way.

  4. NeonNoodle

    Dawkins, like the late C. Hitchens, has a natural gift for language. Even if I didn’t agree with him, it would still be a pleasure to read his words. I like the term “baboonism,” (although in this case I wish he’d said “Ham-fisted baboonism.”)

  5. If I know my history, the Gaels believed the basalt columns of the Giants Causeway were the work of Finn MacCuaill (McCool) a legendary figure in pre Christian Irish folklore ( and post Christian lore as well). Early Irish Catholics of Columba’s day integrated local legend into their beliefs..English and Scots Protestants brought in to colonize Ireland, would have
    brought a viewpoint less integrated with Irish tradition and more in line with Calvinist Protestant perspectives. Their influences remain in Northern Ireland, less so elsewhere in Ireland.
    Modern post Lyell geologists determined from stratigraphic position of the lava flows that form the causeway, that the basalt was Paleogene in age.( unless the Law of Superposition is invalid, along with paleontology, sedimentology, sedimentary petrology and plate tectonics).
    Later geologic studies and radiometric age dating of U 238 in the basalts, confirms that (unless the laws of nuclear physics are invalid, in which case nuclear power doesn’t work and Hiroshima didn’t happen).
    Since Protestant fundamentalism apparently holds sway in Great Britain’s National Trust, a non Irish organization, Finn MacCuaill’s
    myth, has been replaced by one from the Middle East a decidedly non Irish concept indeed. MacCuaill did it, obviously.

  6. Charles Deetz ;)

    In contrast to the clear ‘baboonism’ reference … why does Hambo think someone who believes in evolution need to be a ‘secularist’? There are a lot of jew/christian/muslim people that believe in evolution.

  7. DavidK, I followed your link to find….a penguin?! In the Garden of Eden?
    I sincerely hope he continues to have fund raising problems. Few deserve it more.

  8. docbill1351

    Travel tip number 2!

    If you’re ever in the Mammoth Lake, California, area do visit the Devil’s Postpile. Of course it’s the real Devil ™ .

    I guess they’ll have to provide a creationist explanation, too.

  9. Charles Deetz ;)

    I see the postpile is related to the recent creationist news out of the UK.

    Can I throw in a travel tip? Michigan State University has a museum on campus with a significant evolution timeline exhibit. Plus a two-head cow to enable one to question the perfection of the Creator.

  10. Garnetstar

    No, some in the US would not be that tolerant. Me, for example.

    I wrote to the National Trust expressing my dismay, urging them to promote only actual science, and pointing out that this stupidity might cost them the visits of quite a few tourists.

    Actually, though, their loss will be more than made up for by the visits of eager baboonists

  11. Mark Joseph

    There’s one in the Czech Republic, too, called “Panska Skala” (the Lord’s Rock). Makes you wonder just who is *really* responsible for these formations…


    Nuclear fission and atom bombs are done with U-235, not U-238. Either can be used for radioactive dating.

    Has anyone commented on the idiocy of a *flood*, you know, water and stuff like that, creating a bunch of hexagonal basaltic columns?

  12. Mark Joseph


    Sorry, my attempt to enclose my reply to you in “pedantry” and “endpedantry” tags did not work. Kind of like creationists’ brains…

  13. Mark Joseph , I am verbose, and thanks for the U 235 U 238 correction. Will