Discoveroid Revival in Southern California

We bring you exciting news about another creationist revival meeting with the neo-theocrats at the Discovery Institute‘s creationist public relations and lobbying operation, the Center for Science and Culture (a/k/a the Discoveroids, a/k/a the cdesign proponentsists).

The announcement appears at the Discoveroids’ blog: If You’re in SoCal, Come Out and Meet Us This Weekend at the American Scientific Affiliation Meeting. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

It’s all well and good to read what intelligent design’s scientists and thinkers, representing Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute, have to say.

Scientists and thinkers. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

And we know you do every day here at ENV [the Discoveroids’ blog]. But what could be better than getting a chance to interact face to face? Of course, nothing could be better.

They’re right — nothing could be better! The thrilling announcement continues:

That’s why if you live in Southern California you’ll want to swing over this weekend to the 67th annual meeting of the American Scientific Affiliation.

According to Wikipedia, the American Scientific Affiliation is:

a Christian religious organization of scientists and people in science-related disciplines. The stated purpose is “to investigate any area relating Christian faith and science.”

Let’s read on:

The event runs July 20-23 in San Diego and there are some interesting topics on the menu. Saturday’s sessions will include a panel discussion with Stephen Meyer, William Dembski and Casey Luskin on “A Taxonomy of Information and the Design Inference.” Ann Gauger will speak on “The Origin of Enzymes: All in the Family?” On Sunday, Paul Nelson will address the question, “What Is the Size and Typology of the Genomic Universe?”

Wow! All the giants of Discoveroid creationism will be there. We continue:

The full schedule of speakers is here [link omitted]. Go here to register [link omitted]. The location: Point Loma Nazarene University, San Diego.

Interesting location. Wikipedia says that Point Loma Nazarene University “was founded in 1902 as a Bible college by the Church of the Nazarene.” It’s an ideal setting for a Discoveroid revival.

This sounds like a really great educational opportunity. But it starts tomorrow, so you’d better hurry if you want to attend. Make your plans to get on over to Point Loma Nazarene University and enjoy some of that good old fashioned, down-home, foot-stompin’, psalm-singin’, floor-rollin’, rafter-shakin’, old-time creationism.

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12 responses to “Discoveroid Revival in Southern California

  1. So let me get this straight.
    I.D. an honest scientific theory with no biblical leanings according to them is going to do a presentation at a christian “science” aka creationist conference at a bible college along side YEC’s and flood believers.

    Credibility…. They are doing it wrong.

  2. Charley Horse

    If the president of Biologos, Darrel Falk, attends this revival it
    might not be all pro creationism. Falk teaches biology at Point
    Loma Nazarene U.
    Biologos and the Baptist seminary profs have been having a
    civilized conversation thru essays over at the Biologos website.
    Not that I would expect the creationists to cave into the more
    pro science and anti six day creation views of Biologos, but
    there remains a one in a billion chance of the creationists
    who participate in that being less insistent on their views.

  3. All the big names are going to be there ! This is serious stuff…
    Unfortunately, I can’t attend. I’m getting a manicure..darn.
    I heard there is a charity car wash too..
    bring your donkey..

  4. I had to refresh my memory, but it confirmed that ASA is not an anti-evolution activist organization, and in fact appears to endorse theistic evolution, which in terms of strategy is the polar opposite of ID (atheistic evolution agrees with ID/creationism on the “conflict” model, while classic YEC and OEC are strategically “intermediate” by virtue or making testable hypotheses of “what happened when”).

    Might this be a case where ASA sees this as a place where “teach the controversy” is legal, and is only offering the wrong side an opportunity to make fools of themselves? And show how unreasonable the DI is in its constant whining that opporunities like these are not enough to suit them, and incessant demands to make their case in the one place (public school science class) where it is illegal?

  5. NeonNoodle

    Good thing this didn’t happen last weekend instead. The San Diego Comic-Con was in town, hosting more than a quarter million comic book/video game fanboys! All the hotels were pre-booked. (Imagine being a hotel staff member – trying to cope with thousands of cases of creationist fanaticism and Asperger’s syndrome all at the same time. Good grief.)

  6. docbill1351

    I wonder if they’ll have snake handlers!

  7. The ASA is exactly what accommodationists fear: an organization tolerating outright rejection of evolutionary theory, as well as tolerating acceptance of evolutionary theory. Through a convoluted history, the ICR was born from a desire to distance its members from an organization that tolerated the theistic evolutionist position. If you poke around their website, you’ll find 3-4 positions stated in reasonably clear terms.

  8. @rubble:

    I guess I’m an “accommodationist” because I see no conflict between God and evolution. But I don’t fear ASA if they “tolerate outright rejection of evolutionary theory” any more than I fear Talk.Origins and the Panda’s Thumb for doing the same thing. If anything the latter are worse because they tolerate too many trolls and “feeding.”

    What I do fear are activist organizations that effectively censor their critics by peddling misleading sound bites that are not easily refuted to a public that is not beyond hope, but nevertheless lacks the time and interest to see how it has been misled. Especially the DI with it’s “don’t ask, don’t tell what happened when” policy that at once shoes that they know that Genesis (all mutually contradictory literal interpretations) has no evidence, yet shields their target audience from that inconvenient truth.

  9. The stated purpose is “to investigate any area relating Christian faith and science.”

    I have investigated those areas. In fact the empty set is of some importance to those of us who are mathematicians.

  10. “Genomic Universe”? I swear, the titles of their presentations beggar the sanity of us real scientists. As a geneticist, I’m offended by the stupidity of talking about a “genomic universe”. Ugh. It must be some wacky metaphysical reference that I’m not intelligently designed enough to truly understand…

  11. @John:

    My guess is that they mean something like “genomic space,” the mathematical representation of all possible sequences, of which most scientists would admit is only infinitesimally inhabited, and probably only infinitesimally “habitable” by viable organisms. Which of course does not weaken the one robust explanation we have – evolution – one bit. More importantly, this seems to be yet another term for which the DI is prepared to bait-and-switch definitions to fool the public into thinking that “Darwinism” is dead, dying, falsified, unfalsifiable and the root of all evil.

    I just read on the Panda’s Thumb that Casey Luskin closed a thread on his Facebook page rather than continue the debate after Nick Matzke smacked him down. His exuse? That they were “talking past each other.” Of course, it’s impossible not to when ID scammers play their word games.

  12. docbill1351

    Two things. First, last night on FaceBook Carl Zimmer caught out Luskin in a lie and it was painful to watch the DI duck, weave and evade. They tried the old “buy the book” ruse, but then Paul McBride who did buy and review the book popped in and provided the simple information Zimmer wanted. Carl then went to the original paper, found the quote mine, the distortion and called out Luskin on the lie. Then the DI enforced their “100 word limit on comments,” started removing comments and banned me and others for snark. Deservedly, I might add. Uncivil is my middle name.

    Let’s invent a new game: Social media with Sociopaths

    Second, Ontogenetic Depth is a term made up by unemployed young earth creationist bullsh**ter Paul Nelson. I use the BS word because he’s not as dedicated a liar as Gerbil and Klem, but he makes up stuff and usually runs away when called out on it. The mark of a BS.

    In 2004 Nelson posted a comment on the Panda’s Thumb about a “research project” or “theory” he had been working on that explained the limits of evolution called Ontogenetic Depth. When pressed for details he said he’d return the next day and tell all.

    Next day, nothing. Next week, nothing. A year passed. Then two. The PT started celebrating Paul Nelson Day on April 7th. Finally, in 2011 Nelson returned and laid out a bunch of childish nonsense about multicellular development that bore no relation to reality. Worse than Time Cube and worse than Stewart Pivars “bubble animals.” Nelson still parades around like a big buffoon holding forth on genetic depth in church basements and to the voices in his head. Very, very pathetic. Nelson has an entry in the Encyclopedia of American Loons, February, 2012. Google it. Pivar’s in there, too.