Presidential Debate #3: Free Fire Zone

Realizing that most of our US readers are likely to be watching tonight’s presidential debate, we once again yield to the occasion. These political posts won’t get to be a habit around here, because tonight is the last debate between Obama and Romney. But we’ll probably do the same thing on election night.

As you know, your Curmudgeon is one of the few bloggers on the sane side of The Controversy between evolution and creationism who is also a Republican — albeit an old-style Goldwater Republican from the era before the social conservatives left the Dem party, flooded into the GOP, and changed the discourse. It’s embarrassing at times, and we never hesitate to ridicule the idiots, but we’ve got no place else to go. As you also know, we graciously tolerate commentary from the other side — we have to, because that’s where most of you are.

But you don’t have to comment about the debate or the election. As with all our free-fire zones, we’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

We now throw open the comments to you, dear reader. Have at it.

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22 responses to “Presidential Debate #3: Free Fire Zone

  1. leostargazer

    Hobson’s choice I think.

  2. Can I put in a link here, since it IS a free-fire zone? I just love this straight talking lady, who is apparently a real geologist.:

  3. Got it on live stream. Maybe I should grab a beer?

  4. Watching the debate with the sound from Ian’s video. This is more fun!

  5. Am I the only one who thinks this is a very boring debate?

  6. No

  7. Off point, but here’s some hot news about my favorite insect: Beetles use dung balls to stay cool.

  8. The best part was following @Politifact on Twitter.

  9. All I’ll say tonight is “Horses and bayonets”!

  10. Don’t worry SC, we love you in spite of your leaning right. (I’m just concerned that lean might cause you to walk into a wall on occasion)

    It was a boring and predictable debate.

  11. If Mitt says “And, oh, by the way …” one more time I am going to go all Niagara Falls!

  12. Mitt thought that Syria was Iran’s gateway to the sea because he gets his maps from Conservapedia. No other explanation.

  13. Riccardo Carugati (ateo)

    Sorry if my comment on Ian’s video comes so late, but I can’t help observing how the evolutionist geologist looks smiling and happy with herself and the world, wile the creationist seems in some way tortured and angry. His room is dark, empty and shabby, while the evolutionist’s is full of light, books and culture.
    This would be a perfect advertising spot against creationists’ world!
    Oh, and many thanks to the Curmudgeon for this blog, which is really an oasis of civilization and peace.

  14. Seven seismologists were convicted of criminal manslaughter today, and each sentenced to 6 years in prison for their supposed “failure” to “predict” (I’m not kidding) a 2009 earthquake that killed 300+ people in L’Aquila, Italy. The poor bastards — I’ll bet they weren’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition! Seriously though, this is the kind of insanity that prevails when ruling bodies are science-illiterate. And don’t kid yourself, it can happen here, too.

  15. NeonNoodle says: “Seven seismologists were convicted of criminal manslaughter today”

    Yeah. I’ve gotta blog about it.

  16. “Am I the only one who thinks this is a very boring debate?”

    Holy cow, I got bored listening to the moderator do the intro! Though I’ll admit it picked up a bit after the first 5-10 minutes.

    Did anyone else think Romney was being surprisingly deferential? I don’t know who was coaching him (Mitt), but they shoulda lit a fire under his butt. The last debate is not the time to look agreeable and supportive of the other guy’s policies. I’d informally say Obama won, but only because Romney didn’t seem to have any fight in him.

    Agree with Doc Bill, ‘Syria is Iran’s gateway to the sea’ was the biggest howler of the night. I think that was meant to be a subtle reference to Syria helping Iran funnel money and weapons to Hezbollah, but the phrase is so poorly thought out that its a joke.

    I turned it off when they started using foreign policy questions to talk about the US economy. Didn’t need to hear those particular canned speeches for the umpteenth time.

  17. eric says: “I turned it off when they started using foreign policy questions to talk about the US economy.”

    But that was the only part that matters! The election isn’t about foreign policy. Romney must have figured his best chance to win is on the economic issues, so all he had to do last night was avoid sounding like a warmonger — which could really have ruined his chances. I was mostly bored, but I think it went well.

  18. But that was the only part that matters! The election isn’t about foreign policy. Romney must have figured his best chance to win is on the economic issues

    Yeah, I mostly agree. There’s not much difference between the parties on foreign policy, so there doesn’t need to be much time spent on it.

    Keep in mind, I didn’t say I was surprised when they started answering foreign policy questions with their pre-prepared economy speeches, I just said I didn’t need to hear them. 🙂

  19. The weakness in our economy is due in no small part to the loss of jobs to other countries – India and China in particular. This ties foreign policy to our economy. And while Romney rants about China being a “currency manipulator” we see that Bain Capital continues to lay off American workers. Case in point: Bain-owned Sensata Technologies is about to shut down its Freeport, IL factory, now that the current workers have trained visiting Chinese to do their jobs. The machinery will soon be removed from the Freeport facility for shipment to China. Romney has been asked to intervene, but has ignored the pleas of the 170 workers who are about to lose their jobs.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-w-gerard/sensata-the-reason-romney_b_1998378.html

    Bain is following the pattern that Romney established when he ran the firm. Many of the Sensata workers may soon be joining the ranks of the 47 percent who depend on food stamps, unemployment benifits and other government programs — joining the people who Romney derided behind closed doors back in May. None of the Sensata workers want to be dependent on government programs, but Bain Capital is depriving them of their current means to earn their own way. Their loss will be Bain’s (and Romney’s) gain. Taxpayers will pick up the tab for the food stamps.

  20. Charley Horse

    Ian….thanks for that link….I have now watched several of the more
    than 200 videos produced by this geologist.

    WildwoodClaire1 is a treasure. Romney and his ilk would rather
    she stay in the kitchen and nursery, though. Let’s not allow the
    Retalibans that opportunity.

  21. Come on, Charley Horse. The election is only two weeks from now. Make up your mind!