Election Day Free Fire Zone

The big news today is that your humble Curmudgeon is going to vote. It’s one of the few occasions when we emerge from the CITADEL — the fabled Curmudgeonly Institute for Tactics, Advocacy, and Defense of the Enlightenment Legacy — the secret global nerve center for monitoring events throughout the Creosphere which threaten the values of Western Civilization. That’s where your Curmudgeon is headquartered in his luxurious underground control room.

We were blogging here at the time of the last presidential election. It didn’t go our way, and afterwards we posted Barack Obama, Robert E. Lee, and You. It was a bit melancholy in tone, but we behaved rather well. This time around … well, we won’t gloat if we like the results, and we won’t rant if we’re disappointed — not outwardly, because either reaction would be unseemly, but you’ll know.

There are some other races we’ve written about — mostly state school board elections in Kansas and Texas. And of course, Congressman Paul “Pit of Hell” Broun is being challenged by write-in candidate Charles Darwin. There’s also the theocracy amendment to the Florida constitution which is on the ballot. We don’t expect to hear about any of those until later, because the presidential election overshadows everything else. When it’s over, we’ll be able to get back to our usual subject matter.

It’s unlikely that there well be any other news today, but you don’t have to talk about the election. As with all our free-fire zones, we’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

We now throw open the comments to you, dear reader. Have at it.

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50 responses to “Election Day Free Fire Zone

  1. I’ve been having quite a debate with an intelligent design advocate in the Philosophy, Politics and Religion (PPR) forum of WrongPlanet.net (an online community of people who have autism or are interested). I’d welcome anyone here to jump in if you want. You need to sign up but all are welcome on the site and it’s free. The mods are more tolerant in the PPR forums than elsewhere as long as we don’t get too personal or hateful. I have already called this guy an idiot and a liar and may have been pushing it a bit, but it needed to be said!

    If interested, check out http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5012193.html&highlight=#5012193 for an example. This guy I’m arguing with seems rational and reasonable at first, but the way he twists words and avoids the evidence makes me wonder if he actually works for The Discovery Institute.

  2. There’s an election somewhere?

  3. And so it begins, the election has just started and already the next phase of hate speech made up without any real basis is hitting the net. Now we can look forward to four more endless years of “Hating Obama” and making sure there’s no progress on any real problem!

  4. Ahh, that election!

    The outcome is already certain, according to an article in The Telegraph about a methodology which should delight our friends at the Discovery Institute: Kenyan witch doctor predicts US election outcome

    From the article:

    John Dimo, a traditional witch-doctor has performed an ancient rite with mystical artefacts to predict the outcome of the US election.

    […snip…]

    The 115-year-old, who lives in Kogelo village, 367 miles west of Nairobi, predicted that President Obama would win the election saying, “Obama is much further ahead and is definitely going to win

  5. I have heard tales (ancedotes) that there are people paid to patrol various online forums (mostly newspaper comments) and post objecting opinions. Based on what I see at the local paper it’s not too hard to believe, but there is no shortage of partisans willing to do this for free. Has anyone here seen anything that would confirm this (paid trolling) is happening?

  6. Megalonyx ;
    ” Kenyan witch doctor predicts US election outcome”
    Voo doo and its associated practices, like intelligent design,
    are not Wall Street Journal preferred methodologies, however,
    the Journal came up with a similar prediction for the election results.
    Hmmmmmm………?

  7. will notes:

    Voo doo and its associated practices, like intelligent design,
    are not Wall Street Journal preferred methodologies

    –which indicates to me that the WSJ is also under the influence of the fell materialism of the International Darwinist Cabal.

    They should of course consider some of these wonderful Methods of divination.

    I had no idea that so many, many other — and rather promising — non-empirical, non-materialistic, ID-friendly approaches abound!
    The sort of intense scrutiny on offer at this blog of the colourful Discoveroids may well count as a form of moromancy.

  8. Ceteris Paribus

    A Kenyan witch doctor who contends he is 115 years old? Let’s see his birth certificate. The original, long-form one.

  9. SC I’m curious, as a Republican, would you have voted for Governor Rick Perry if he won the nomination? At least Romney doesn’t wear his religion on his sleeve; he can’t being a Mormon. I’m sure Romney will be back in 2016. I’m predicting an Obama victory by 333 electoral votes.

  10. Doodlebugging ; … Dowsing is a type of divination employed in attempts to locate ground water, buried metals or ores, gemstones, oil, gravesites and many other objects and materials, as well as so-called currents of earth radiation without the use of scientific apparatus. Could it be that
    DI really stands for the Dowsing Institute rather than the Dishonesty Institute?

    Wikipedians could add intelligent design and creationism and its “methodologies” to the divination page . And the superstition page, and the fraud page, and………………..write ’em in !
    woo hoo…..Will,,my new screen name

  11. Troy asks: “SC I’m curious, as a Republican, would you have voted for Governor Rick Perry if he won the nomination?”

    No. I would not have voted in that case.

  12. Ceteris Paribus

    @Troy: Romney will be 70 years old in 2016. If he is the incumbent at that time, a run for re-election is reasonable. But if he isn’t the incumbent, the rigors of the year-long campaign just to get the nomination makes him a long shot.

    Consider that Romney only got this nomination because more reliably Republican contenders such as Brownback, Jindal, and Perry chose to sit it out.

    If Romney does win now, my personal voo-doo moromancy suggests that the Republican party in 2016 will suffer the same fate as the Whig party did in 1856 when it pretty much became irrelevant to the political system, and was replaced by the nascent Republican party as it existed in its rational, i.e. pre tea party form.

    Regardless of who takes the presidency in 2012, the present Republican party faces severe challenges from the changing demographics of the electorate, and those challenges will increase in the next 4 years.

  13. @Ceteris Paribus:
    Your last paragraph gives me more hope than anything I’ve read since I read that “none” is the fastest-growing religious group in the States.

    Vote “no” on theocracy.

  14. @Ceteris Paribus:
    Perhaps you are right, some suspect that the Biden-Ryan debate might be an early peek into 2016. I don’t think Biden has a chance though Ryan might. I still think Romney wants it enough that it will be considered. He’ll likely be a young 70, like Reagan. It is more likely Ann’s health will be a stopping block. And of course he could still win, the only poll that counts is the one tonight. I don’t think the Republican party with kooks is headed for extinction any time soon. There is a lot of them out there and they need a home.

  15. Ceteris Paribus

    @Troy: I can’t share your optimism because It may already be too late.

    A shift of just one vote on the Supreme Court is all that is required to demolish what little remains of Jefferson’s idea of a wall between church and state.

    Given the makeup of the Senate, there will probably never again be enough votes to replace any vacancy among the current non-theocratic Supreme Court justices with a nominee that is predictably non-theocratic.

  16. Following a recent post, Creationist Wisdom #279: The Student, ID Something-or-other-ist Lee Bowman and I had a protracted exchange. Near the end he realized I am a regular reader here, and responded:

    “So you’re a Curmudgeonite? It figures.”

    Gary and I got a chuckle out of this, started scheming, and then this happened.

    It’s still a work in progress, and there are a few variation still in the works. I’ll show off the final results when it’s ready. 🙂

  17. doodlebugger

    Divining with that witching stick in the never ending search for hydrocarbons in the subsurface. We may need a few jug hustlers on the seismic crew . Todays electoral votesloser and his staff can give us a call Wednesday.
    The Doodlebugger

  18. Tomato Addict says: “Lee Bowman and I had a protracted exchange. Near the end he realized I am a regular reader here, and responded: So you’re a Curmudgeonite?

    How did he figure that out? We don’t wear uniforms here.

  19. Maybe they have special sunglasses like in that sci-fi flick “They Live” with Roddy Pipper .

  20. doodlebugger

    Tomato,

    Can you make sure that stuff dissolves completely in hot water please.
    I hate lumps in my Curmudgeonite.
    That said, I believe you have a hit there sir.

  21. I too doubt the GOP will cease to function even if they lose the Whitehouse today. However, I agree that the more extreme elements will likely have a harder and harder time in the coming years appealing to enough Americans to maintain their positions of power. As more Americans drift away from Church, in particular away from the evangelical churches, there will be less appeal in overtly religious candidates. I would predict a return to sense in the GOP as it becomes increasingly clear that the fundies won’t keep them winning elections forever.

  22. Lee Bowman put one and one and one and one … {takes a little coffee break} … and one and one together and finally got two. He was complaining to Doc Bill because you kicked him out …

    Lee Bowman>”But contrary to that, I had a fruitful exchange with NeonNoodle, Ed, Tomato Addict and Gary, but when Curmud told me I’d “had my say”, I could see you cheering from the bleachers. The other guys seemed a little disappointed.”

    To which I responded …

    If we were disappointed, it was only because we were not done explaining how completely wrong you were when the referee threw in the towel.

    then …

    Bowman: So you’re a Curmudgeonite? It figures.

    Uniforms???? Hmmm …

    Cardinal Gary, bring out the sewing scissors and some red velet! But don’t run, you’ll put your eye out.

  23. Of the 115-year-old Kenyan witch doctor, Ceteris Paribus demands

    Let’s see his birth certificate. The original, long-form one.

    No problem — provided Donald Trump will immediately donate to my favourite personal bank account (my own, as it happens) the sum of $5,000,000 and to a charity of his own choice his remarkable hair.

  24. The WrongPlanet post I linked to in the first comment here has me saying OOGITY BOOGITY in it. That’s a dead giveaway that I have been exposed to Curmudgeonosity.

  25. SC asked:

    How did he figure that out? We don’t wear uniforms here.

    It started with an exchange between Bowman and Doc Bill. Lee mentioned his dropping in here to give us his sage advice drop a few stink bombs. He and TA were already having a discussion and Bowman dropped this site into the discussion. Now, here’s the key point:

    I had a fruitful exchange with NeonNoodle, Ed, Tomato Addict and Gary, but when Curmud told me I’d “had my say”, I could see you cheering from the bleachers. The other guys seemed a little disappointed.

    Besides the obvious fact that he misses sarcasm, he also completely missed that TA was using his alter ego on the Collegian website. Later, when TA mentioned he was a regular of this site, it led to his famous utterance of:

    So you’re a Curmudgeonite? It figures.

    Mind you, during this time, TA and I had been having e-mail exchanges discussing how much fun TA was having with Bowman. But when Lee used that phrase, that led to TA stating we had to make use of it. Which led to TA’s idea, as well as mine.

  26. doodlebugger

    Bicycle, yes, I believe it is.
    Would you like a cup of Curmudgeonite ?
    Its the real thing friend.

  27. @Bicycle: MarketAndChurch is either demented, a troll, or a computer just spouting gibberish. Several of his statements are self-contradictory, and others make no sense whatsoever. Frankly, Bowman with his “sciencey-sounding” BS is more fun.

  28. Well done Gary. For the next one we need to work OOGITY BOOGITY in there somewhere.

  29. TA said:

    Well done Gary. For the next one we need to work OOGITY BOOGITY in there somewhere.

    Thank you, m’lud! And I’m on it!

  30. doodlebugger

    I was thinking Curmudgeonite was like Marmite or something. It looked soooooo innocuous in its cute little bottle. I’m pretty sure insulating foam sealant is not going to dissolve well in hot water.
    So, no Curmudgeonly wierd bouillion like product intros today after all.

    I’ll take a case of the Curmudgeonite sealant please.

  31. Bravo, chaps, on Curmudgeonite!! We have a winner!

  32. Ceteris Paribus

    Too bad there won’t be another Election Day Free Fire Zone for another 4 years. But for this one I hope the election officials will take care to seal the ballot boxes with Curmudgeonite to prevent OOGITY BOOGITY before the votes are counted.

  33. Ceteris Paribus says: “Too bad there won’t be another Election Day Free Fire Zone for another 4 years.”

    Well, there’s always the mid-term elections two years from now. Anyway, I voted. No lines, no problems. This is turning out to be the longest day of my life, and the fun (or agony) hasn’t begun yet.

  34. doodlebugger

    I think alot of Americans are just not going to understand what happened tomorrow morning when they read about the final resultsof this election.
    But it may result in some moderation going forward, which will be a good thing.

  35. Ceteris Paribus

    @The Curmudgeon: Yes, mid-year elections can be lost of fun. That’s when in my state the governor’s office is on the ballot.

    My state has closed party primaries or caucuses here, so I may need to switch parties to have any effect at all on re-election of the incumbent.

    I wish the movement to have open primaries would get to my state. Even if the top two primary finishers were from the same usual party, at least independents or minority party voters would have a real reason to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils.

  36. Curmudgeonite looks like bad stuff. I’ve got a jar of Marmite in my kitchen but I don’t eat it. That Other Half person does. Can’t stand the stuff, personally. I do like Twiglets, though, which are Marmonite baked on extruded wheat paste. (Yes, he said “extruded.” They don’t grow on trees.”)

  37. Karl Rove was telling just now us how all the votees are not counted yet and that Romney may still win. A fitting metaphor for the campaign and Mr Roves credibility.

  38. By my reckoning, Romney can win Ohio, Virginia and Florida, and he’ll still lose the election (assuming all of the other states that have been called by the news outlets are accurate).

  39. Condolences Curmy. 🙂

  40. The whole truth

    Good riddance to romney and his magic underwear.

  41. Yay Curmudgeonite!
    Light th’ fuse!

  42. doodlebugger

    Yes, condolences Curmudgeon.
    You are the coolest Republican.
    🙂

  43. Bravo, Tomato Addict!

    @SC: We hope this image may soon be gracing your homepage?

  44. Tomato Addict says: “Finished!”

    Darn, that looks good! Very well done!

  45. Megalonyx says: “SC: We hope this image may soon be gracing your homepage?”

    I intend to do that, as soon as the Crimson Orb grants me permission to do so.

  46. SC: I intend to do that, as soon as the Crimson Orb grants me permission to do so.

    Crimson Orb: Of course! Please proceed. If I get ambitious I’ll make a version with the lettering conform to a curved surface.

    TAWho was that masked man?

  47. Credit where credit is due: “Concentrated Enlightenment” was Gary’s idea. And if you look, you might see a little Mt. Dew stain in the corner.

  48. @TA: Thanks for the kudos. But the original idea of the “Curmudgeonite” is well and truly yours!