From time to time we see various creationist groups advising their faithful followers how to respond to critics. Usually their responses boil down to threats about the Lake of Fire (always a winner!), but sometimes it’s a snappy (and moronic) question, like “Were you there?”
Until today, we haven’t seen that kind of behavior from the Discoveroids, but today that gap in their creationist behavior is being plugged by David Klinghoffer — he and his creationist employer are described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page.
Klinghoffer’s new post is On Facebook and Elsewhere, How to Talk with Darwinists. It would have to be someplace like Facebook, because they don’t allow comments at the Discoveroid blog. In what follows, Klinghoffer undoubtedly imagines that his advice is devilishly clever. He says, with bold font added by us:
If you follow us at ENV [the Discoveroids’ creationist blog], you’ve probably got a pretty good handle on the debate about evolution and intelligent design.
Yes, we’ve got a good handle on it. We know all about their wedge strategy. For a discussion of that and our overall opinion, see Enemies of the Enlightenment, and for the pathetic contents of their side of the debate, see Klinghoffer Defends the God of the Gaps. Klinghoffer continues:
But don’t think the same is true of people you interact with in other contexts. In fact, we all need to dial way, way back on what we assume about how much these folks know what we’re talking about when we talk about ID, even as they claim to understand the whole subject a lot better than we do.
Here comes Klinghoffer’s advice on dealing with those who don’t understand the great debate:
When you’re harangued by someone who bashes ID in that familiar way that mixes sneering and chortling, the first thing to do is ask him to state, in brief neutral terms, what the controversy about intelligent design is actually about. On what point do advocates of Darwinian theory and advocates of intelligent design disagree?
That’s what he wants his detractors to be asked. If a science-minded critic doesn’t know all the nonsensical details of the Discoveroids’ blather, then he’s to be dismissed as unworthy. Let’s read on:
I bet that 9 out 10 Darwinists, at least, will admit they can’t answer you or will find some way to dodge the question.
Well of course! Who, for example, would bother to master the mind-numbing labyrinth of William Dembski’s Design Inference? No one. It’s a dung heap of incomprehensible apologetics.
We’ll skip some examples of internet “debates” that Klinghoffer offers us — from Facebook of all places — and jump right to his final paragraph:
Even if you accomplish nothing else, by asking the question — “What is the Darwin debate about?” — you will find out very quickly whether, in continuing the discussion, you’re just going to be squandering scarce time that you can’t afford. Although, isn’t that what Facebook is all about?
What can we say to conclude here? The best we can do is offer some advice we’ve given before: See Debating Creationists is Dumber Than Creationism, which was updated a bit in The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Opposing Creationism. And if you find yourself confronted by Klinghoffer or any other Discoveroid somewhere on the internet … well, waste your time if you like. That’s up to you.
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