Water on the Moon? Therefore, Creationism!

This news is about three weeks old, but we didn’t bother with it until we noticed a creationist reaction. The website PhysOrg reported: Water hidden in the Moon may have proto-Earth origin. It says:

Water found in ancient Moon rocks might have actually originated from the proto-Earth and even survived the Moon-forming event. Latest research into the amount of water within lunar rocks returned during the Apollo missions is being presented by Jessica Barnes at the European Planetary Science Congress in London on Monday 9th September.

The Moon, including its interior, is believed to be much wetter than was envisaged during the Apollo era.

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“The water locked into the mineral apatite in the Moon rocks studied has an isotopic signature very similar to that of the Earth and some carbonaceous chondrite meteorites,” says Barnes. “The remarkable consistency between the hydrogen composition of lunar samples and water-reservoirs of the Earth strongly suggests that there is a common origin for water in the Earth-Moon system.”

Interesting, but not the kind of thing we usually blog about. However, then we found the creation science version at the website of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR). They’re described in the Cast of Characters section of our Intro page.

ICR’s article is Water in Rocks May Support Moon’s Bible Origins. We’ll skip their description of what the scientists found, and take you right to ICR’s interpretation. The bold font was added by us:

The sophisticated structure and function of the moon leave no doubt as to its origin by special creation. It is beyond the ability of random, natural forces to have positioned the moon at just the right distance from Earth to, for example, generate tides tall enough to cycle vital nutrients to oxygen-providing microbes but not so tall that they destroy the coasts. Similarly, the moon’s circular orbit steadies the tides.

No doubt at all. (Venus, however, is another story. The creator must have been having a bad day when he made that one.) Let’s read on:

And now, finding that water was present during the moon’s formation not only weakens secular theories of a molten moon, but also confirms the Bible’s suggestion of a cold and wet lunar origin.

How do you feel now, college boy? Your godless professors’ brains have been blown away — Bada-bing! — all over your nice Ivy League suit. ICR continues:

According to Genesis, God spoke the moon into existence on Day Four of creation, calling it the “lesser light.” Making the moon did not require magma. Also according to Genesis, the first substance that God created even before making the luminaries was water itself. Genesis states, “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

Now that’s the way to explain things. And get this — the discovery of the Moon’s water was predicted in the bible! You don’t believe it? ICR has the data:

In the New Testament, Peter predicted the presentation of these finds when he wrote of scoffers’ treatment of biblical origins: “For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water.”

We’re a bit confused on one point — we can’t figure out why ICR never previously mentioned their prediction that water would be found on the Moon. We won’t worry about it; they probably had good reasons for keeping that water a secret. Here’s the rest of their article:

Taken together, these passages suggest that the Earth, at least, began with a watery origin. And it is possible that Peter’s watery origins reference also applies to other heavenly bodies, including solar planets and moons.

Ya gotta admit, dear reader — those creation boys are way ahead of you. They always have been, and always will be. Isn’t it time you joined them?

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19 responses to “Water on the Moon? Therefore, Creationism!

  1. According to Genesis, God spoke the moon into existence on Day Four of creation, calling it the “lesser light.”
    And the Sun also:
    “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
    And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
    And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
    And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.”

    Yet, somehow or other, there were days and nights – three of them – before there was a Day Four. Somehow or other there was a division between day and night. Somehow or other there was light upon the Earth.

  2. Funny that the Holey Babble sez nuffink about water on Mars. Or the birthday paradox, which illustrates that maybe some things are statistically less special than our intuitions (and naïve old myths) would lead us to believe.

  3. It is beyond the ability of random, natural forces to have positioned the moon at just the right distance from Earth to, for example, generate tides tall enough to cycle vital nutrients to oxygen-providing microbes but not so tall that they destroy the coasts. Similarly, the moon’s circular orbit steadies the tides.

    Unfortunately our writer friend either slept through or flunked astronomy 101.

    The moon has, and continues to move further and further away from the earth due to tidal forces between the two bodies. It’s only just the “right distance” because humans say so, but the truth is otherwise.

    Uh, tides and storms both continuously change the coastlines along the continents and islands. Katrina, Sandy are just two examples of the many tidal forces resulting from such storms, and as the sea levels rise, so too will be evident the changes in the coastlines.

    Gad, the moon is NOT in a circular orbit around the earth. This guy is a real moron. Apogee and perigee denote the far and near points of the moon’s orbit from the earth, but apparently this creationist is just plain, well, stupid.

  4. Our Curmudgeon ponders

    we can’t figure out why ICR never previously mentioned their prediction that water would be found on the Moon

    They’re too modest and did not want to risk the sin of Pride. But I won’t hold it against them now if they just go ahead and make explicit their implied prediction here that water will be found on the sun.

  5. DavidK laments

    Unfortunately our writer friend either slept through or flunked astronomy 101

    I doubt Astronomy is much covered by homeschooling. Or, if it is, it’s probably Astronomy 0.000101 (distinguishing the Moon from the Sun, and that’s it).

  6. Since the earth got much of its water from comets, couldn’t the Moon also have, like it was in the neighborhood. Does the existence of water on Earth belie its earlier molton state? Do these people have any ability to think at all or is it just all oogity-boogity?

  7. Nothing like a little liberal interpretation of Genesis by people who refuse to accept anything but the literal word of God. Well, back to my KJV… Hmmmmm….

    And when God did remember that he had floodeth the Earth, it had been, like, almost a whole year, and he figureth “yeah, everything’s probably good and drowned by now” and then shouteth, “Oh my Me, I forgoteth about Noah.” He looketh down and saw the whole place was covered in water, Noah’s ship dangerously close to capsizing, so he gave SERVPRO a call. He asked them to cleaneth everything up and rebuildeth the canopy, but blah, blah, blah something about new zoning regulations. So He told them to sticketh it all in the moon but it had to be done today. Later on he paideth the guy his 300 bucks. And he saw that it was adequate.”

    Well, that kills two bird with one stone, doesn’t it?

  8. stephenpruis asks: “Does the existence of water on Earth belie its earlier molton state?”

    Yes, if the whole show is only 6,000 years old.

  9. It’s amazing how YECs misread Genesis – is this dishonesty or just blindness – in order to try and discredit so-called origins or historical science. Where does Genesis say the moon was created ‘cold and wet’?!
    These threads may be of interest:
    http://forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3345&start=15
    http://gracesalt.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/a-big-challenge-to-rational-atheists/

  10. Memo to Brian Thomas from Wikipedia:
    “The orbit of the Moon is distinctly elliptical with an average eccentricity of 0.0549.”

  11. “The water locked into the mineral apatite in the Moon rocks studied has an isotopic signature very similar to that of the Earth and some carbonaceous chondrite meteorites,” says Barnes.

    This made me think — we now know that certain meteorites originated on the moon, being blasted off the lunar surface by impacts there; and others have come to Earth from Mars by the same process.

    That being the case, it’s more than likely that some meteorites are actually rocks that had been blasted off the Earth’s surface by large impacts here. Some of these Earth-originating meteorites may well have fossils in them, or other evidence of life. So the point is, finding a fossil in a meteorite is not proof of extraterrestrial life — if such an occurrence were to happen in the future.

  12. @Ashley Haworth-roberts:

    It’s amazing how YECs misread Genesis – is this dishonesty or just blindness – in order to try and discredit so-called origins or historical science.

    It’s either or both, depending on the particular YEC. Our Curmudgeon created a useful taxonomy (based on Dawkins):
    https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/creationists-ignorant-stupid-insane-or-wicked/

    Of course, we both ignore his dictum concerning not arguing with creationists; yes, it’s useless in the direct sense, but useful in two indirect senses, for those who may be listening in, and in giving us the chance to marshal our facts and polish our arguments.

    In the case of “Tim”, who is clearly dishonest, and the moronic idea that all of science (including evolution) is based on the supposedly faith-requiring axiom of uniformitarianism, the retort is fairly straightforward–there is no reason *not* to accept uniformitarianism, as that is what the data show; and his version, which accepts uniformitarianism except for the creation of the universe, the creation of Adam, and the flood, is obviously special pleading.

    A good way to refute the biblical flood account without resorting to uniformitarian premises is to point out that the geographical distribution of fauna and flora does not match what it would had all the species dispersed from a point in the middle east about 4,000 years ago.

    Keep up the good work!

  13. Our moon doesn’t emit it’s own light. So, where’s the “lesser light” ?

  14. The whole truth

    Fireflies?

    😉

  15. “It is beyond the ability of random, natural forces to have positioned the moon at just the right distance from Earth…”
    This sounds a bit like:
    My legs are just long enough to reach the ground. And although your legs are probably longer or shorter than mine, they also have just the right length to reach the ground.
    Amazing.

  16. Eddie Janssen observes

    My legs are just long enough to reach the ground. And although your legs are probably longer or shorter than mine, they also have just the right length to reach the ground.

    We’re both blessed indeed for being The Goldilocks Height!

  17. This creationist blogger (David Coppedge) OUGHT to know something about the moon. I’ve not studied this article, which is a few weeks old, closely.
    http://crev.info/2013/07/mystery-moon-and-meteorites-and-stars/

  18. Ashley Haworth-roberts says that Coppedge “OUGHT to know something about the moon.”

    Yeah. If anyone knows anything about the Moon, it’s Coppedge.