Jason Lisle Tells Us About Mars

Jason Lisle is the new Director of Research at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR). Our last post about him was Jason Lisle Describes the Earth and the Moon.

Regular readers of this humble blog know Jason best from the time he was at Answers in Genesis, when he prompted us to write several posts about Jason Lisle’s “Instant Starlight” Paper.

Today he continues our education in creationist astronomy with The Solar System: Mars. As with his last article about the Earth and the Moon, this one is mostly a bunch of high school science, so we’ll skip that stuff and give you only the unique parts — with bold font added by us for emphasis. Okay, here we go:

Although Venus has been called Earth’s sister due to the similar size of these two worlds, the planet that appears most earthlike at its surface is undoubtedly Mars. A solid, rocky world, Mars is just over half the size of Earth in diameter. [Blah, blah, blah.] This amazing planet has properties that both challenge secular ideas and confirm biblical creation.

Mars confirms biblical creation? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! We’ve pointed out before that there’s only one mention of planets in the entire bible (in 2 Kings 23:5) — a derisive reference to those who burn incense unto Baal, to the sun, the moon, and to the planets. Otherwise, they’re never mentioned at all — the phrase used is always “the sun, the moon, and the stars.” So how does Mars “confirm biblical creation”? Stay with us.

Jason continues with a lot more high school data, and then says:

Though there is essentially no liquid water on the planet today, evidence clearly suggests that Mars once had surface water. Such evidence is especially perplexing in light of the planet’s thin atmosphere.

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So, was the atmosphere of Mars different in the past? Or was the water released catastrophically, boiling away almost immediately? Could volcanic eruptions increase the atmospheric pressure locally to the point where liquid water could exist temporarily? These are mysteries that remain unsolved.

What does Jason think about this mystery of the Martian water? Let’s read on:

It is noteworthy that secularists are willing to believe in catastrophic, planet-scale flooding on Mars — a planet that cannot support liquid water. Yet, they simultaneously deny the Genesis Flood on Earth — a planet that is 71 percent covered with water.

You, dear reader, are probably one of those fools Jason is talking about. He then discusses the two moons of Mars, and says:

When taken from a secular perspective, the origin of these moons is perplexing. Were they once asteroids that have since been captured by the gravity of Mars, as many astronomers believe? This is possible but involves an improbable chain of events. Moreover, captured asteroids are expected to have exaggerated, elliptical orbits, but Mars’ moons orbit in nearly perfect circles.

Wow — another mystery that has secular scientists baffled. The Wikipedia article on Moons of Mars discusses this issue, and suggests a few explanations, but nothing certain has been decided yet. However, Jason is no ordinary scientist, and he isn’t baffled at all. Get this:

As with so many aspects of the universe, the creative diversity of the Lord seems the best explanation for this puzzle. While posing a challenge for natural processes, the creation of unique moons in well-designed orbits is no problem for God.

Problem solved! Jason wraps it up with this inspiring paragraph:

Mars and Earth possess great similarities but also vast differences. This is yet one more mark of the creativity of the Trinitarian God of Scripture. God Himself (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) embodies a multitude of characteristics — diverse and yet unified. In the same way, the planets, while not one-and-the-same, have unique variations representing the all-encompassing, endless ingenuity that the Creator exemplifies in all His forms. Indeed, the evidence of Him is clearly seen by what He has made — “even His eternal power and Godhead” [scripture reference].

Now you know all there is to know about Mars, thanks to Jason. Imagine how ignorant we’d be were it not for creation science!

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23 responses to “Jason Lisle Tells Us About Mars

  1. Interestingly, the Trinitarian God of Scripture is not actually discussed in scripture and did not come about until around the 3rd or 4th century. Several xian denominations reject the doctrine, but Jason would no doubt cast them as heretics worthy of the lake of fire.

  2. As with so many aspects of the universe, the creative diversity of the Lord seems the best explanation for this puzzle.

    Huh? I’ve always consider the FSM as a far superior entity to have created the planets through his holy noodleness and his omnivorous appetite for goodness and sound creativity.

  3. According to the Last Thursdayists, there indeed was a great flood on Mars.

    “Before Last Thursday, cats lived on Mars and built pyramids. Then the Great Flood occurred and wiped most of them out. The survivors and Queen Maeve traveled to Earth with their pyramids and set down in Egypt. To prevent such a disaster from ever happening again, Queen Maeve created a slave race to take care of cats. This slave race are the homo sapien species.”
    —————–
    I’m thinking of converting to Last Thursdayism myself. I can’t wait to explain this faith to the next aggressive proselytizer I encounter. All hail Queen Maeve!

    Hail kitty, full of grace,
    You have whiskers on your face.
    Let us stroke your silken fur,
    Bless us with your gentle purr.

  4. ” We’ve pointed out before that there’s only one mention of planets in the entire bible (in 2 Kings 23:5) — a derisive reference to those who burn incense unto Baal, to the sun, the moon, and to the planets. Otherwise, they’re never mentioned at all — the phrase used is always “the sun, the moon, and the stars.” ”

    Of course, until Copernicus and Galileo showed otherwise, the very definition of a planet was “wandering STAR” (in contrast to the “fixed stars” of the constellations.) So it really doesn’t make much difference whether the biblical authors used “star” or “planet” as in their minds planets were a subset of stars.

  5. Ceteris Paribus

    Jason asks: “Could volcanic eruptions increase the atmospheric pressure locally to the point where liquid water could exist temporarily?”

    Two difficulties for Jason to explain on that question:

    1. Even if a volcano erupted locally, maybe right under Jason’s hind foot, what container (other than his empty noggin) exists to prevent the local atmospheric pressure from rapidly falling to the average atmospheric pressure of Mars?

    2. Dalton’s law of partial pressures says that in a mixture of gasses such as the Martian atmosphere, each component gas can only “know” what the other molecules of the same component are doing. The water vapor in a volcanic eruption only knows the partial pressure of the other water vapor molecules, and doesn’t care a bit about what the nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur dioxide, or any other gasses are doing.

    What Jason is claiming about atmospheric pressure and water vapor is that if he were to sit in the middle of an auditorium filled with Nobel Prize laureates from the many disciplines awarded Nobel Prizes, Jason himself would immediately find his own creation IQ reach near to infinity.

  6. While posing a challenge for natural processes, the creation of unique moons in well-designed orbits is no problem for God.

    That’s the answer for every problem, isn’t it? God can do anything, therefore he did everything. Creation science in a nutshell.

    My question is “Why?” What was the point of all this planetary diversity? Why have retrograde moons on Mars (and Neptune)? Why have planets at all? Why not just surround the earth with the crystal sphere, as the ancients believed?

    Anytime a creationist claims the vast universe is just evidence of God’s creativity, I want to hear them explain what all that creativity was for. Entertaining humans is not an adequate answer (that would be contrary to God’s nature, at least as revealed in the bible).

  7. Life as a “Director of Research” for a creationist belief tank must revolve around picking lint out of your belly button, reading from high school textbooks, and making stuff up. Oh, cursory readings from the Wholly Babble might also be required.
    Doubtless Doctor Jason Lisle, Ph.D. has a black belt in at least one of those activities.

  8. Nice research Dr Lisle, PhD. I looked up Phobos on Wikipedia and it said it is getting closer to Mars and will either break up or crash in 50 million years. Perfect design only God could have done indeed.

  9. Doctor Stochastic

    A Lisle thread?

  10. Yes, Doctor Stochastic. Jason’s creation science is always good for a laugh.

  11. Not sure when the next free-fire zone is coming up, but this is too good to wait. Hambo’s Ark Encounter is being floated by junk bonds!

    I found out about it here:
    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/noahs-ark-park-floated-by-junk-bonds/

    from which you can link to the full story at:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/ark_encounter_finances_obamacare_sank_ken_ham_s_creationist_theme_park.html

    Our Curmudgeon’s comments are eagerly awaited!

  12. Charles Deetz ;)

    @waldteufel Lisle’s pedigree is from AIG, where making up ways the ark was a real thing is a way of life. This new job must have included an upgrade to belly-button lint-picking, where this round of thinking came from.

  13. Yes Phobos is headed for a catastrophic collision with Mars. Not for a long time though. Interestingly enough there are crater patterns consistent with previous collisions of the same variety. Perhaps Mars has had other asteroid companions in the past.
    I can’t believe people make a living off peddling this crap.

  14. Stephen Kennedy

    Maybe Lisle jumped ship to go to ICR to spread his idiocy when he got the feeling that AiG’s ark is about to go down with all hands.

  15. Amarsing. It looks awfully like Jason Lisle’s Ph.D. is in juvenile pursuits — such as mooning.

    Has he ever presented the Martian canals or the Cydonia “face” or “pyramids” as evidence of anything? Anything other than his own anxious naïveté, that is?

  16. @gluadys – In [c]lassical astronomy, the Sun and the Moon were also “wandering stars” (“planets”). I don’t know about Biblical astronomy, but I’d guess that it was derivative of Babylonian astronomy.

  17. Mark Joseph, the couple of bloggers who have so far mentioned Hambo’s junk bonds are all relying on a single article in Slate. I saw that yesterday, but there was nothing about it in the press or from AIG itself. I’m waiting for another source of information before I write about the situation.

  18. More from AiG on their Ark Bonds at ArkBonds.com, including where to get more information.

    As usual, the worthies at AiG seem to be after those with deep pockets and shallow minds. . . . .

  19. Thanks, waldteufel. Now I can blog about it. Soon …

  20. Mars proves god? WOW

    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”

    Human stupidity is indeed infinity!

  21. hey curmudgeon have you seen Jason Lisle’s blog before? its stupid as it is insane

  22. Jason Lisle’s blog, oh yeah, I’ve seen it before.
    http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12286

    For a shorter, lighter take-down of Lisle: a fellow christian take Lisle to task here:
    http://www.csharp.com/lisle.html

    The irony is: Lisle accuses csharp of being dishonest and saying that since he’s an “evolutionist” it’s to be expected that Sharp would have no reason to be moral. While completely forgetting that Sharp had said in the very article linked earlier, that he was also a christian!
    http://www.jasonlisle.com/2013/09/06/are-you-epistemologically-self-conscious/comment-page-2/#comment-7899

    Of course, Sharp is an evolutionist. So there is no reason for him to be honest according to his own worldview.

    Reply which quotes from Sharp’s website:
    We should celebrate the brains God gave us and use them to understand the universe, rather than throwing them away and falling into the pit of creationist ignorance. Christianity is about a relationship with God through Jesus, it is not a cheap and quick cop-out used to explain the physical nature of the universe. Not only do creationists sell God short, they have hijacked Christianity by implying that they are the only “correct” Christians.

  23. this i find one of the most absurd comment on his site
    “If God were merely a very powerful individual as you’ve suggested, the situation wouldn’t change much. But God is actually the Creator of all that is. He is sovereign. And He is the Judge. All people will answer ultimately to God, and hence His rules are necessarily objective. They are the same for everyone, and binding on everyone because we all owe our existence to God and will answer to Him. Clear?”
    whattt??? this makes no sense what so ever! how does opinion based morality become objective?