A few days ago, while mentioning the Ken Ham-Bill Nye debate that’s scheduled for 04 Febreuary, the Discovery Institute’s David Klinghoffer attempted to distance the Discoveroids from the primitive, bible-based creationism of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo).
This isn’t the first time those two creationist outfits have talked about their differences — which we regard as trivial. Both are science deniers, but Hambo’s outfit denies science because it contradicts his literal reading of the bible, whereas the Discoveroids deny science because … well, it’s not religious, and besides that, they just don’t like it. They’ve explicitly said so in their wedge strategy, about which we wrote What is the “Wedge Document”?
Before Klinghoffer’s post, the most recent volley in the ongoing competition between those two creationist movements came from ol’ Hambo — see Food Fight: Ken Ham vs. Intelligent Design. We like to see discord between the various sects of creationism. It’s always enjoyable to see them squabbling among themselves about the silly details of their anti-science ideology. It’s a hint of the sectarian warfare that will surely erupt when they don’t have science as their common foe.
Today it’s Hambo’s turn again. Responding to Klinghoffer, he has just posted Is the Bible Evidence? First, he quotes what Klinghoffer wrote. We’ll skip that because it was covered in our earlier post. Then he says, with bold font added by us:
Consider his statement that “ID advocates follow the evidence where it leads.” Now, the ID movement is not a Christian movement. Its proponents are against naturalism and maintain that life is the result of an intelligent designer, but they don’t fully say what the mean by that.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Of course the Discoveroids don’t say what they mean — that’s part of their strategy. Many of them have privately admitted that their designer is Yahweh, but they’re careful not to say so on their website. They want to maintain the masquerade that they’re scientists. They don’t need to identify the designer — their followers can easily figure it out, and their Wedge Document makes everything quite clear.
Hambo knows this, yet he plays along with the Discoveroids’ official position of pretending to be neutral about their designer’s identity. But he criticizes them for not proclaiming what to him is so obvious. He says:
It certainly is true that if you look at living things, there is overwhelming evidence of design in them — that life could not have arisen without intelligence. That is the essence of what Romans 1:20 states — that it is so obvious from looking at creation that God exists, and if you do not believe this, you are without excuse.
The Discoveroids have no excuse! Let’s read on:
But the ID movement is ignoring evidence: they dismiss the Bible itself as evidence!
What kind of evidence is that? Hambo explains:
The Bible claims to be (and I know it to be) the Word of God. … The Bible is evidence — it is evidence that enables us to correctly connect the past to the present and understand true history. Because the ID movement ignores the Bible, its leaders will not publicly lead people to understand who the true God is.
Only Hambo can truly lead people. Here’s more:
Klinghoffer also seems to imply that the age of the earth is the issue which drives us at AiG. But that’s simply not true. Our emphasis is to stand on the authority of God’s Word, enabling us to have the foundation to build a worldview that will give us the ability to correctly interpret the evidence of the present in relation to the past.
Wow — ol’ Hambo is really blasting away at the Discoveroids! Moving along:
The ID movement has produced some great research to show the obvious design in living things.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, great research. Look, a butterfly! Therefore Oogity Boogity! Hambo thinks that’s good, but it’s not good enough. Why? He tells us:
But unless they consider all the evidence (which includes the Bible), they will not be able to lead people to a correct understanding of life and the universe.
Ol’ Hambo thinks those Discoveroids are fools! One last excerpt:
At least Klinghoffer is going to watch the upcoming debate — well, maybe some of it! Viewers of the debate will see a stark contrast between the stand AiG takes and the position of the ID movement. Again, the big difference is that AiG insists on using the Bible as evidence!
So there you are. If you’ve already rejected science and you’re trying to decide whether to follow the Discoveroids or AIG, now you have the information you need to make a choice. Choose carefully, dear reader. Burning in the Lake of Fire is no way to go through eternity.
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