Creationist Wisdom #427: Purpose and Hope

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Shropshire Star, the fifth biggest-selling regional evening newspaper in Britain. It’s located in Telford, which is in Shropshire — for our US readers, that’s in England. The title is Evolution argument short of purpose, hope and evidence.

We don’t like to embarrass people (unless they’re politicians, preachers, or other public figures), so we’ll just use the letter-writer’s first name, which is David. He may have some connection with Centre Ministries, but we can’t confirm that. We’ll give you a few excerpts from his letter, enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

David begins by referring to a letter by Tom Williams, which we can’t locate. It doesn’t matter. David says:

Tom Williams is quite right to point out that flowers are the reproductive organs of plants and trees. … His narrative of millions and billions of years does not answer the simple question of how plants were pollinated if they appeared on earth millions of years before insects or how insects fed and obtained their nutrients if they appeared before flowers. They would have needed to appear on earth within days of each other for either species to survive.

Wow! That’s so obvious! Organisms that exhibit a symbiotic relationship must have been created at the same time. Why haven’t we seen that argument before? David then tells us:

The theory he proposes is a narrative without purpose or hope or even evidence. The billions of years depend on assumptions which change with passing generations. An increasing number of scientists have come to the conclusion that so many of these assumptions are without basis in science that they have turned to another more solid source of information.

Yes! Why stick with an ever-changing set of assumptions that offer no purpose or hope — and no evidence? But what’s the “more solid source of information” to which David refers? Let’s read on:

Fossils need rapid burial and pressure more likely provided by a global flood than millions of years. Without rapid burial, plants and animals would decompose and be disposed of by other creatures. A global flood would result in millions of dead things being found in sedimentary rocks all over the world’s surface, which is what we do find.

We think David is giving us a clue about what he considers a “more solid source of information.” He continues:

Tom’s world view has no answer to where matter came from, what produce [sic] the energy for the Big Bang, or where life came from. Neither does it answer why we die.

He’s right. There’s only one source for all of that information. Here’s more:

DNA is the most complex information system known to man. Information requires intelligence to produce, such a complex system as DNA requires a mind so vast and powerful that we cannot begin to understand, let alone confine such a mind.

Why hasn’t anyone else ever pointed these things out to us? Moving along:

I understand that being to be an all wise, all knowing, all powerful God, to whom I give all the praise.

Rightly so! And now we come to the end:

If flowers were not for our enjoyment, why do so many people grow just flowers and find great pleasure in them?

Of all the excellent points David has made, that is his best. Great letter!

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16 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #427: Purpose and Hope

  1. Oh, and why were the vast majority (perhaps all) of flowers that people grow and enjoy produced by artificial selection, a human copy of natural selection, a driver of evolution? Get back to us when you’ve figured that out, Dave.

  2. This guy doesn’t know the first thing about botany let alone evolution. Just one point, insects existed long before flowering plants. There’s a long history of plants on earth that predate the evolution of flowers. And his knowledge of geology is just as bad. Give it up Dave, you are a total looser when it comes to scientific knowledge. Go back to school and learn what you didn’t learn the first time around.

  3. That might take the rest of his life, Biokid.

  4. Our Curmudgeon brings us a gem from

    Telford, which is in Shropshire — for our US readers, that’s in England.

    More than that: Shropshire was the birthplace and childhood home of Charles R. Darwin, FRS.

    Most modern Salopians–unlike the letter-writer skewered in this post–are proud of their most famous native son. Shrewsbury, the county seat of Shropshire, boasts a fine municipal statue of ole Chuck, as well as The Darwin Shopping Centre 🙂

  5. I neglected to mention one other essential bit of trivia re: Shropshire (apart from the oddity of Shropshireans called Salopians), and that is the perfect ambiguity about the pronunciation of “Shrewsbury”, which may be variously heard as “SHROWS-bry” or “SHROOS-bry”. Even natives of the city are pretty evenly divided on which is the ‘correct’ form, a matter on which there is no consensus. It seems to be an eternal matter of “Speak the controversy!”

  6. For those who now feel compelled to get stuck into it, a resource for The Great How Do You Pronounce Shrewsbury? Debate

  7. Megalonyx conccedes that there is something:

    apart from the oddity of Shropshireans called Salopians … the perfect ambiguity about the pronunciation of “Shrewsbury”

    Don’t be defensive about it. Every country has one or two such oddities. But it does seem that England has a bit more than that.

  8. SC: “Why hasn’t anyone else ever pointed these things out to us?”

    But the “designer” himself, blessed be-he, has. Don’t forget the “irreducibly complex” bacterial flagellum. Unfortunately David (undoubtedly a direct descendent of the David) won’t like the fact that the “designer” did state that the “design” was inserted billions of years ago, and unfolded via common descent since then, making those nice plants our cousins.

    Moral of the story: Whether one is trying to fool oneself, or just fool others, one needs to get one’s own “narrative” straight before whining about the only one that passes the tests.

  9. Biokid: “This guy doesn’t know the first thing about botany let alone evolution.”

    It’s hard to tell from just the excerpt, and I have no interest to read the whole letter, so you could be right about this letter writer. Unfortunately I see that assumption made for every one, even when they show clear signs of faking some or all of their ignorance.

    The question we must always ask ourselves is what would they do if they do read the refutations, or are calmly shown that they have been misled? Note, the corrections of those misconceptions do not require college-level biology; they are easy enough for any 8th grader to follow. But as I often say, letter writers are a “transitional fossil,” a small minority even of evolution-deniers. Some undoubtedly are irreversibly afflicted with Morton’s Demon, so the refutations would be “filtered.” But others, and I think most, will realize their mistakes. When they do, they either quietly go away, and sometimes (if rarely) become critics of ID/creationism. But many will just quietly abandon the most obviously absurd stuff (young earth, etc.) and “graduate” to the more sophisticated “big tent” approach.

  10. Brian Axsmith

    LOL. Flowers are for our enjoyment. This fool needs to read up on carrion flowers.

  11. Biokid directs David the letter writer, “Go back to school and learn what you didn’t learn the first time around.”

    mnbo then quips, “That might take the rest of his life, Biokid.”

    how wonderful! A life-long learner!

  12. SC, concerning the pronunciation of Shrewsbury, comments, “Every country has one or two such oddities. But it does seem that England has a bit more than that.”

    I might add, not just countries. Take Indiana, for instance. Russiaville is pronounced “Roo’-shah-ville”; Versailles = “Ver-sales’ “; Galveston = “Gal-ves’-tin”; Pulaski County = Pul-lask’-eye; and even a resident of the state is pronounced funny — Indianian = Hoosier.

  13. Richard Bond

    SC says:

    Don’t be defensive about it. Every country has one or two such oddities. But it does seem that England has a bit more than that.

    Try Scotland: Milngavie, Kircudbright, Strachen or Athelstaneford anyone?

  14. retitedsciguy: “how wonderful! A life-long learner!”

    And he can enjoy every minute by starting, and ending, here.

  15. Yes, Frank J, and also going to the PBS website as well as cable “On Demand’ offerings, and watching past episodes of Nova, Inner Fish, etc. And, of course, making full use of his local library’s resources.

  16. @Frank J: as David is in a far advanced state of brain rot caused by creacrap I’m afraid the first step you recommend him will actually worsen his condition; he might very well be unable to recognize what’s wrong with quote-mining.