AIG Reacts to the UK Creationism Ban

We recently posted about some good news from the British government: UK Bans Creationism in Tax-Supported Schools. We said: “That’s certain to generate a firestorm of outrage from the creationists.”

And now we have exactly the reaction we expected. This is from Answers in Genesis (ol’ Hambo’s online ministry). Their title is UK State-Funded Schools Ban All Teaching of Creation Science.

We are delighted to see that it’s a long, sputtering, furious rant. You already know the news, so we’ll skip their re-telling of that. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

While we at Answers in Genesis have never suggested creation science be required teaching in government schools of any country, we believe teachers and students should have the academic freedom to openly discuss the scientific difficulties with evolutionary claims. The wording of the new regulations will not only stifle academic freedom but effectively define the religion that must be taught.

Did you follow that? They don’t claim that teaching creationism should be required — of course not! — but they insist that it should be presented and discussed — purely as a matter of “academic freedom.” Then they say:

In effect, the UK is telling these schools [those that accept government funds] that they can teach any religious doctrine they wish so long as they teach the religious philosophy of evolutionism in the science classroom and exclude student exposure to the scientific flaws in the evolutionary model. And if perchance any form of “creationism” is actually part of a sponsoring church’s doctrine, the school can only discuss this doctrine if they tell children that its doctrinal position is scientifically untenable.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! We love the smell of creationist outrage in the morning — or any time, for that matter. Let’s read on:

[N]ot only is it now illegal for science teachers in state-funded schools to demonstrate that scientific evidence, stripped of evolutionary interpretations, is actually consistent with creation science, but they may not even hint that evolutionary claims are insufficient and inadequate.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! All of the creationist mumbo-jumbo is banned! AIG thinks it’s an outrage! We continue:

In effect then, any school official who signs this agreement in order to receive public educational funds must not only agree to obey the restrictions but affix his or her signature to a document declaring agreement that the restriction is entirely appropriate. They are declaring that they agree with those who reject God’s role as Creator and God’s Word’s account of Creation.

They don’t have to agree with AIG’s distorted claim, but they must accept that they’re required to teach science, not creationism. AIG makes it seem as extreme as their own Statement of Faith. Whoever works for ol’ Hambo and accepts his money must literally agree with Hambo’s theology. Here’s more — it’s a big paragraph, but it’s pure gold:

The terminology in the UK schools document is carefully crafted so as to designate creation science solely as a religion, a belief system, an “ism” — creationism — while at the same ignoring the religious nature of “the scientific theory of evolution.” Our origins were not observed by any scientist. Therefore any conclusions we draw about our origins depend on which worldview we embrace: one in which the eyewitness account provided by the Creator is acknowledged as authoritative or one in which God’s Word is rejected and replaced by man’s fallible opinions. Belief in molecules-to-man evolution is thus rightly considered an “ism” — evolutionism — dependent as it is on a person’s belief system and worldview. In effect then, by enforcing the teaching of evolutionism as undeniable and banning any positive mention of creationism regardless of the doctrinal position of the school’s sponsors, the UK regulations require church schools needed their portion of public funds to subscribe to the government-designated religious position.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is fantastic! Moving along:

No scientist was present at the time of origins to document what happened. Knowledge of our origins requires resorting to a reliable historical record. The Word of the Creator God is such a historical account and as such allows us to correctly evaluate claims about out origins. Those who reject God’s Word rely instead on their own presuppositions but cannot actually use the scientific method to make any valid conclusions about origins.

They’re hauling it all out and dumping it into one big essay. Another excerpt:

Creation scientists do, however, utilize the scientific method! Creation science — the belief that science, in order to be accurate, must be consistent with the Bible — is used to make accurate scientific predictions.Evolutionism is actually unsupported by the scientific method with respect to origins science, and creation scientists are quite able to utilize their biblical belief as the basis for scientific discoveries in the present utilizing the scientific method.

Yes! And your Curmudgeon is the King of Siam. On with the article:

The UK’s educational policy does not promote the development of critical thinking in students because it “protects” them from seeing the difference between observational scientific data and the worldview-based evolutionary historical spin put on it by evolutionary adherents. Schools that need their portion of the public educational funds to keep their doors open must relinquish their freedom to the detriment of their students.

It is indeed cruel, to teach students not to drool. And now we come to the end:

None of this is a surprise, as governmental gifts always tether the recipients to government control. But it is instructive to examine the codification of the new “established church of evolutionism” in the country across the water, from which many of the original American colonists once fled in their efforts to practice their minority religions and train up their children freely, without requirements imposed by the government-established church.

That was absolutely splendid — much better than we expected. What would we do without Answers in Genesis?

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29 responses to “AIG Reacts to the UK Creationism Ban

  1. Ahem. “Teach the religious philosophy of evolutionism in the science classroom”?

    Where to begin? Oh, I know: the Brits are teaching the scientific theory of evolution, not “evolutionism,” whatever that is. And it seems just a tad odd for an outfit called Answers in Genesis to object to the teaching of a religious philosophy in science classrooms when it wants students in those classrooms to hear of “God’s role as Creator and God’s Word’s account of Creation.”

    Then there’s the jackass argument “No scientist was present at the time of origins to document what happened. Knowledge of our origins requires resorting to a reliable historical record. The Word of the Creator God is such a historical account and as such allows us to correctly evaluate claims about out origins. Those who reject God’s Word rely instead on their own presuppositions.” Well, no creationist was present either, and it’s their “presupposition”–nothing more–that “the Word of the Creator God” is in fact historical, or even the actual “Word” of an actual deity. But pointing this out to them is, well, pointless. It only gets them upset, angry and posting.

  2. Oh, my: The Onion‘s loss is AIG’s gain.

  3. In effect then, any school official who signs this agreement in order to receive public educational funds must not only agree to obey the restrictions but affix his or her signature to a document declaring agreement that the restriction is entirely appropriate. They are declaring that they agree with those who reject God’s role as Creator and God’s Word’s account of Creation.

    Hmm. Just like Bryan College?

    Actually, do we have the freedom to talk about evolution in sunday schools or “vacation bible schools” or in delivered sermons, i.e., equal time?

  4. waldteufel

    Hambo’s Rage is my delight, as I’m sure there is much delight amongst those who frequent this blog.

    Christianity, especially Hambo’s whacked out version of it, is plainly dying in the civilized world. I’m sure there will be fundies as long as there are people on the planet, but they are more and more becoming marginalized as illiterate and irrelevant. Hambo and his coterie of creation “scientists” are gonna have to grow up or find a new con. Theirs is on the way out.

  5. Careful, Ken Ham. If you say “evolution is unsupported by the evidence” three times in front of a mirror while you’re alone in a Creation Science Museum, PZ Meyers appears and rides your stupid stegosaurus.

  6. As I’ve asked various delusional & essentially uneducated xtians here in NC…. “OK evilution is 100% wrong. Now where is your PROOF that your BS is true????” Never do get an answer.

  7. “… creation scientists are quite able to utilize their biblical belief as the basis for scientific discoveries in the present utilizing the scientific method.” And just what are those wonderful scientific discoveries made using biblical belief as their basis? As far as anyone can tell, Hambone is describing a null set.

  8. The big tent political talk must leave the AiG feeling very important and influential, at least to themselves.

    It’s just delightful how they accuse their targets of exhibiting the exact same negative behaviors that they could not function without using.

    Hambo & Co could be the poster children for the pro-chutzpa movement.

    The unquenchable greed these groups exhibit demonstrates and reaffirms the need to protect secular government at every opportunity.

  9. “Teachers cannot tell them that evolutionary biology cannot explain the origin of life from non-living chemicals through natural processes.”
    Is Ol’ Hambo dumb, malevolent or both? Teachers totally can tell them because that’s simply not what Evolution Theory is about. Btw all biology is “evolutionary”.

    “They are declaring that they agree with those who reject God’s role as Creator and God’s Word’s account of Creation. ”
    Eh no. Those teachers have to accommodate that role with Evolution Theory though. Fundie teachers at Dutch fundie schools (also financed by government) got used to that task a long time ago.

    “They are declaring that they are ignorant of the fact that the actual observations of science—stripped of evolutionary presuppositions—are consistent with the biblical accounts of our origins and history.”
    Eh no. They are declaring that Ol’ Hambo’s particular view on this matter is totally irrelevant. In biology class, that is.

    “The scientific method is the process by which testable hypotheses are evaluated through repeated observations and controlled tests. ”
    Bingo! And no single scientific theory qualifies better than Evolution Theory.

    “The scientific method can only gather information and lead to testable conclusions about the testable present.”
    As Ol’ Hambo’s conception belongs to the past I am apparently free to maintain that he is dumped in Queensland by some aliens.

    “creation scientists are quite able to utilize their biblical belief as the basis for scientific discoveries in the present utilizing the scientific method.”
    Ah, that’s why scientific magazines and websites get flooded by exciting new creacrap based stuff. Not.

  10. the new “established church of evolutionism”

    Does Hambo not realize that England literally has an established church and that church happens to be Christianity. Or maybe he thinks they aren’t “Real Christians”.

  11. This was a bitter rant against the post Enlightenment world operates, particularly in Science. To Ham, the Enlightenment was a catastrophe. Reason replaced superstition and the sciences adopted an absolute standard that scientific theories must be based on evidence, not revelation.

    Science will never go back to the days when the supernatural had a role to play in Scientific undertakings and thought processes and Hambo’s growing recognition of this fact has him extremely angry and frustrated and he used every one of his complaints against modernity in his screed.

  12. Ranter Ham: “…we believe teachers and students should have the academic freedom to openly discuss the scientific difficulties with evolutionary claims.”

    …and they do have that freedom. Any evidence discovered by methods that comply with the Scientific Method that appears to be contrary to the Theory of Evolution may be freely discussed. The problem is, Ham believes that reading Genesis is doing scientific research.

    I’d like to see the same law enacted here in Indiana, where my tax money is being vouchered out to religious schools that teach creationism.

  13. Just for the record, here are two pertinent sections of Article I of the Indiana Constitution: (bold added)

    Section 4. No preference shall be given, by law, to any creed, religious society, or mode of worship; and no person shall be compelled to attend, erect, or support, any place of worship, or to maintain any ministry, against his consent.

    Section 6. No money shall be drawn from the treasury, for the benefit of any religious or theological institution.

    The Republican-dominated State Supreme Court of Indiana ruled that Indiana’s voucher system was constitutional. Their reasoning? The vouchers are given to the students’ parents. What school they use them at is their choice. No one seems to have asked the question of what the schools then do with the vouchers. It would seem that the schools, religious or secular, turn them in to the state, which then draws money from the treasury to pay the schools.

    Nor did the court seek out anyone who may have objected to paying taxes to support creationism.

  14. AIG are furious and outraged. I however find this very interesting

    Creation science — the belief that science, in order to be accurate, must be consistent with the Bible — is used to make accurate scientific predictions. …

    Do they mean every time a scientist sits to work, his main reference book should be the byebill or does this apply only to evolution.
    I can’t imagine how one could cross reference the bible for a discussion of polymers.

  15. Humbugminster informs us—

    “[We AiGeans] believe teachers and students should have the academic freedom to openly discuss the scientific difficulties with evolutionary claims.”

    Why, so do we! Doing so will pique students’ interest in the subject matter, and some of them may even be prompted to become Real Scientists©. Imagine that! But “discussing the scientific difficulties with evolutionary claims” does not equate to “wholesale substitution of solid science with wishful fantasies and Bronze Age myths”. Scientific difficulties are to be resolved by scientific investigations done in accordance with science’s methodological rigour. You may not like the answers nature provides, but then nature isn’t required to conform to our preferences. In that respect, it’s a lot like prayer…

    Humbugminster complains—

    “[It is] now illegal for science teachers in state-funded schools to demonstrate that scientific evidence … is actually consistent with creation science…”

    I think we have irreconcilably different ideas about what “actually consistent” really means.

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    (P.S. @Curmy: “AIG makes it seems seem as extreme as their own Statement of Faith.”)

  16. I love the way Mr Lie has twisted things so that evolution is a religion and creationism is a science. The man gets flakier day by day.

  17. Wow. He wants to bring your country down, thankfully our politicians actually want to raise ours. What next, in history lessons about the second world war, let’s have holocaust deniers given a chance to put their own views across. Or Geography teachers denying Australia exists?

  18. @Jason: I propose to bring in my personal favourite, Flat Earth Theory, in physics class. Of course this only applies to schools who teach creationism in biology class.

  19. I’ve fixed the typo, Con-Tester. Thank you.

  20. As noted before, it is ironic that the UK, with an Established Church (of which the Monarch is also the head) and lacking thereby any constitutional separation of church and state is a far more secular nation than the USA. Go figure.

    Personal note: I am shortly flying over the pond for Neanderthal family stuff in the wilds of Appalachia and will be unable to post snarky comments here for a time. I hope someone will, in my temporary absence, take up the cudgels to keep our Curmudgeon in line….

  21. Megalonyx warns: ” I am shortly flying over the pond”

    England rejoices, America braces, Olivia shudders.

  22. @retiredscienceguy observes:
    The vouchers are given to the students’ parents. What school they use them at is their choice.
    And if the students’ parents decide to give them to schools of marijuana cultivation, the state has no grounds for complaint.

  23. BlackWatch

    SC says “we love the smell of creationist outrage in the morning”.
    This UK legislation banning creationism in taxpayer funded schools is a perfect vehicle for Zack Kopplin’s work. He should put it into the hands of some capable lawmakers in the USA..

  24. BlackWatch proposes—

    “This UK legislation banning creationism in taxpayer funded schools is a perfect vehicle for Zack Kopplin’s work. He should put it into the hands of some capable lawmakers in the USA.”

    I doubt that’ll fly, at least at the federal level. It’ll run afoul of the First Amendment (on its flipside) because it would entail government entanglement with a religious question. Besides said Amendment, there are no clauses in the US Constitution governing the dissemination of ideas, and there’s also a small chance of unintended counterproductive consequences following such prescriptions.

    But I’m guessing here. Perhaps a more legally astute commenter would care to shed more light on this matter.

  25. Con-Tester comments on the chances of a law banning creationism in the US: “I doubt that’ll fly, at least at the federal level. It’ll run afoul of the First Amendment (on its flipside) because it would entail government entanglement with a religious question.”

    And there’s the point that the US Constitution (purportedly) leaves education to the states, the Cabinet-level Department of Education notwithstanding.

    However, it could fly as a national law if it stated something to the effect of “Any educational establishment accepting public money shall not teach creationism as science.” I’m no lawyer, so I have no idea how such a law would need to be worded, but it’s a moot point — it could never pass with today’s makeup of Congress.

    Actually, though, one would think that existing Supreme Court rulings on creationism & Intelligent Design would apply to any school receiving voucher money from the state.

  26. BlackWatch

    Sci guy and con tester yes those are all valid comments however, as Kopplin’s research has revealed, there are hundreds if not thousands of schools nationwide accepting Federal voucher money yet violating the US Constitution by teaching creationism to their students in place of actual science. Some examples are egregious as we all know.
    There has to be a clever way to shut that loophole down and end this farce, no?

  27. BlackWatch & RSG, I agree it’s a farce and that cretinists have stolen a march on rationality by assorted insidious means. The reason for this is not hard to find: Rational/educated people automatically assume that others need guidance, not prescription, whereas the wannabe theocrats, by their nature, shoot first for prescription.

    As I see it, the trouble is that the US Constitution (plus its amendments) was drafted on the assumption that it covers the needs of largely rational people, but it left a small but significant niche for protecting human irrationality in the hope of averting the horrors that had characterised much of Europe’s history in the form of religious frictions. That is to say, whether at state or at federal level, the US Constitution only stipulates the extent to which government can interfere in people’s irrationality.

    I don’t know what the answer is. Legislating a ban on teaching creationism may well provoke a widespread opposing kneejerk, even if the education funding is federal. Perhaps the more general point to drive home is that the funders get to decide the syllabus in collaboration with relevant authorities. The issue is fraught with a multitude of problems and an impartial, respected arbitrator is hard to find.

  28. Hey, Ashley Haworth-roberts, you didn’t hold back too much.