There’s a thought-provoking article posted by the creation scientists at Answers in Genesis, the on-line ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia. It’s titled Proving God’s Existence — Would You Believe If He Showed Up at Your Door? The article is written by Nathan Ham, whom we believe to be the oldest son of ol’ Hambo.
This is a bit off-topic for us, as your Curmudgeon isn’t concerned with such theological questions, but it’s nevertheless interesting as an indication of how creationists regard the nature of proof itself. That is, to a creationist — who routinely denies well-established scientific facts — what would constitute proof of anything?
With that in mind, let’s see what Nathan has to say. We’ll add some bold font for emphasis, and delete the scripture references:
In 1985 a popular debate on this subject was held between Reformed theologian Greg Bahnsen and atheist Gordon Stein. Stein was asked what would “constitute adequate evidence for God’s existence?” He answered, “If that podium suddenly rose into the air five feet, stayed there for a minute and then dropped right down again, I would say that is evidence of a supernatural because it would violate everything we knew about the laws of physics and chemistry.”
That’s not a bad miracle. We’ve previously discussed the subject — see The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Miracles. Our own favorite example, which we’ve never discussed here (well, once in a comment), would be if all the stars, regardless of their distance, were rearranged one night into a checkerboard pattern, which would be apparent only from our location, and they should remain that way for 24 hours so everyone on Earth could see it, and astronomers could confirm it. And then, without any fuss, the stars should resume their usual pattern. That would convince almost everyone that a miracle had occurred. But things like that never happen. Okay, let’s get back to AIG:
Would you believe in God if He showed up at your door?
Huh? Anyone could show up at our door and introduce himself that way. It would require a wee bit more to verify his identity. Let’s read on:
Some people, especially atheists, tend to think that supernatural phenomenon [sic] like miracles are absolutely necessary for proving the existence of God. But some people will never be convinced, in spite of seeing miracles, as many incidents in biblical history show:
We’re then given a long list of miracles in the bible, which no living witness has ever seen. For example:
God commanded Moses in Exodus 4:4–9 to show miraculous signs to Israel so that they might believe God sent him, and eventually they did. However, Pharaoh with his hardened heart, despite seeing all those wonders, still chased after them through the Red Sea to his own destruction.
That Pharaoh was a hard-hearted guy. AIG continues:
Even the famous British atheist evolutionist, Richard Dawkins, admitted in his 2012 debate against the Australian Catholic Cardinal, George Pell, that he (Dawkins) “used to think that if somehow, you know, great big giant 900-foot high Jesus with a voice like Paul Robeson suddenly strode in and said ‘I exist. Here I am,’ but even that I actually sometimes wonder whether that would.”
Dawkins is a hard-hearted guy too. Even a 900-foot high Jesus wouldn’t convince him. Here’s more:
The point is that no matter how many miracles are done, some with a hardened unbelief will always find a way to explain God away … rather than believing his miracles were a demonstration of the power of God.
Your Curmudgeon isn’t that much of a skeptic. Bible stories aren’t verifiable, but we’d accept the checkerboard arrangement of stars. Dawkins probably would too. Moving along:
You see, it is not enough to prove God exists.
Maybe not, but it would be a good start. Another excerpt:
Christians should continue using the best biblical apologetics arguments for the existence of God. But if our apologetic method does not point people to Christ when arguing for the existence of God, we are no different from the Intelligent Design movement.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! They’re not that different at all. Like AIG, the Discoveroids are creationists, and we know who their designer is, but they can’t prove his existence either. On with the article:
There is plenty of evidence for God’s existence in the creation and every person already knows that God exists. Skeptics suppress that knowledge, their understanding of the evidence, and their own consciences in unrighteousness.
Young Hambo won’t convince anyone with that kind of sermonizing. He continues:
But God (Jesus Christ) has already knocked on the world’s door, and many did not listen. They have explained Him away as a good teacher, a crazy man, or a deceiver. Approximately 2,000 years later, times have not changed very much and neither has the heart of man.
Okay, that’s enough. So what did we learn? Not too much. Well, we’ve learned that AIG has no idea what it means to actually prove something. All they’ve said is: “Hey, it’s in the bible. What else do you need?” Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for that shining checkerboard in the sky.
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