Ken Ham Is Furious About Scotland

We’ve been reporting about moves in the UK to ban creationism from tax-supported schools (except for their Religious Education classes). You can read about it here and here.

That, of course, provoked an outraged post from Answers in Genesis (AIG), the on-line ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia. We wrote about that here: AIG Reacts to the UK Creationism Ban.

Now there’s a move to do the same in Scotland. That news is reported in The Herald located in Glasgow, the largest city in Scotland, and — at least for now — the third largest in the United Kingdom. Their headline is Nobel laureates: ban creationism in Scottish schools. A few excerpts will bring you up to date:

Sir Harold Kroto, Sir Richard Roberts and Sir John Sulston have signed a petition lodged at the Scottish Parliament calling for guidance to be introduced for teachers. The Scottish Secular Society wants a ban in publicly funded Scottish schools of the “presentation of separate creation and Young Earth doctrines as viable alternatives to the established science of evolution, common descent and deep time”.

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Just over 600 people have signed the online petition. They include Kroto, a chemist who shared the 1996 Nobel Prize for chemistry and is professor of chemistry at Florida State University.

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Roberts, who was awarded the 1993 Nobel Prize in medicine and is chief scientific officer at research firm New England Biolabs in Massachusetts, said: “This is really an important issue. One should be teaching facts to children, not religion.” Sulston, who was a joint recipient of the 2002 Nobel Prize in medicine and is chair of the Institute For Science, Ethics and Innovation at Manchester University, said: “Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, so long as they follow the golden rule of not causing harm to others.

Sir Harold Kroto has been a stalwart defender of science and an outspoken opponent of creationism, both in the US and the UK. He first came to our attention during the creationist madness in Florida, when this humble blog was only a few weeks old — see “We’re the laughingstock of the enlightened world.”

It was entirely predictable that AIG would respond to this development in Scotland, and now we have their response from none other than ol’ Hambo himself. He has written Nobel-Winning Scientists Push for Ban of Creation in Scottish Schools. As you’ll see from the following excerpts, it’s his usual sputtering mad, red in the face, foaming at the mouth rant, to which we’ve added some bold font for emphasis:

I have emphasized over and over that we are in a war and the battle is for the hearts and minds of our kids and news coming out of Scotland only confirms this.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That guy always amazes us. He’s the proprietor of a nice little roadside tourist attraction in rural Kentucky which appeals to drooling ignoramuses, of whom there are enough to provide him and his family with a comfortable living. So why doesn’t he just sit back and enjoy life? It’s a mystery, but somehow he has persuaded himself that he’s on a holy mission to save the world — by getting everyone to think as he does. Let’s read on:

Scotland’s current education policy is that teachers and educational professionals — not the government — should determine school curriculum. This means that teachers can at least present the many problems with evolutionary ideas as well as possibly present other alternatives, such as biblical creation, to their students. Naturally, the Scottish Secular Society is not happy about this as they want their religion of naturalism to be taught exclusively.

Hambo’s Adam&Eve stuff is The Truth, but science is the “religion of naturalism.” He continues:

One of the scientists, Sir Harold Kroto, said that “creationism was a religious concept and there should be recognition that schools should be teaching facts.” Of course, by “facts” they mean their own religion of naturalism, and by “creationism” as “a religious concept” they, no doubt, mean Christianity, which I believe is the real issue to them. Basically, by saying that we must teach facts, not religion, they are saying that their religion is the right one and should be taught to children.

See? Hambo is engaged in a religious war. The disturbing thing is that we think he may be serious. Here’s more:

Now, these scientists claim that “belief-based teaching should be entirely separate from science teaching” but what they don’t realize is that you can’t teach any model of origins without teaching a belief system. As I have pointed out many times, including in my debate with Bill Nye, there is a distinction between observational science and historical science.

We won’t waste time with that clunker. It’s discussed in Common Creationist Claims Confuted. Moving along:

These scientists with the Scottish Secular Society have a presupposition that the world arrived through naturalist processes, and this directs their interpretation of the evidence. This worldview of naturalism is directly contradictory to what God’s Word teaches for it is a way of explaining life without God. It is a belief system and a religion!

Aaaargh!! No, Hambo, it’s not an arbitrary presupposition. It’s a conclusion which is entirely based on observable evidence. Where is the evidence that the laws of nature were different in the past? Oh, it’s required if one is to believe a literal reading of Genesis, which describes a Bronze Age society’s guesswork about the universe. Okay, enough said about that. Here’s another excerpt:

So as these scientists push to ban creation from being taught in schools they are not separating “belief-based teaching” and “science teaching.” Instead, they are simply pushing their own religion of atheistic naturalism on students.

Yeah — they’re pushing their “religion” in, and pushing Hambo’s religion out. That’s why it’s a religious war. On with the rant:

The situation is no different in the USA. In fact, this war on Christianity is happening worldwide. … These secular groups don’t want freedom of religion; they want freedom from Christianity — because they are in rebellion against the One who created them and owns them.

It’s a global war, and Hambo is on God’s side! Whose side are you on, dear reader? And now we come to our last excerpt:

We are indeed in a fierce and ongoing spiritual war for our kids, which is why it is so important to teach your children the truth of God’s Word and equip them with answers so that they can defend the hope within them.

Then it dribbles to an end with an invitation to visit Hambo’s Creation Museum. So what can we say? Nothing, really. Hambo’s rant speaks for itself. Perhaps, if we pray for him, he may one day see the error of his ways.

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24 responses to “Ken Ham Is Furious About Scotland

  1. When I read this I thought it was going to be another one of your ‘finish this phrase’ games, as in “Ken Ham is Furious about ________________”

  2. My goodness. Ken Ham is quite possibly insane.

  3. The Ayatollah of Appalachia bloviates

    Of course, by “facts” they mean their own religion of naturalism, and by “creationism” as “a religious concept” they, no doubt, mean Christianity, which I believe is the real issue to them.

    Nope, Hambo, plenty of Christians aren’t Creationists, and plenty of non-Christians (Jews, Muslims, Hindus) are–so no call to play the persecution card.

    Teaching science in school shouldn’t be an issue for anyone–except, of course, for the rabidly anti-intellectual and anti-rational con men who cloak their reactionary and theocratic political agenda in absurd Oogity-Boogity.

  4. Continuing Megalonyx’s point, I have a daughter who’s a science teacher (not biology) in the UK. She tells me the real creationist problem comes not from the Christians but from the Muslims.

    So Megalonyx is perfectly correct: Hambo’s use of the persecution card is, through either ignorance or deliberate deceit, completely misguided/misleading in this instance.

  5. I really think that Hambo is deluded enough that he really thinks that he’s engaged in some sort of world-wide “spiritual” (whatever that means) war with the very fate of civilization hanging in the balance. In fact, as our wise Curmudgeon has pointed out, Hambo just runs a little roadside amusement park where one can zip for Jesus, watch animatronic dinosaurs cavort with children, and listen to his various carnival barkers cum creation “scientists” babble on about how Iron and Bronze Age mythology trumps all of modern science.

    As long as the Kentucky and environs educational systems can produce enough drooling imbeciles with a little coinage jingling in their pockets, Hambo ought to do just fine, no matter what goes on in the classrooms of Scotland, the U.K. or anywhere else. Relax, Ken. We’re not worried about how you’ll do.

  6. Derek Freyberg

    @waldteufel “zip for Jesus”: you noticed that Ken’s rant about Scottish science comes right next in his blog stream to a not-quite-ad for “we’ve got the best new zip line equipment there is at the creation museum, so you should come – and by the way kids get in free this year.” I wonder how the attendance figures are doing.

  7. I wondered about why Ham would be concerned about the independence of Scotland (for or against).

  8. When you become this psychotically delusional what is the difference between KenHam and Crazy???
    Its not usually the crazy persons fault for his problems, Ken Ham is psychotically delusional on purpose thru deliberate actions on his part.

  9. Ham: Name Meaning
    English (mainly southwestern England):
    variant spelling of Hamm. …
    Ken’s no a Scot and
    England threw him oot.

  10. Ham Name Meaning…too long to post,,,sigh

  11. Sometimes I wish the G.O.D. would just up and get on with the rapture. I think if all the righteous folks like Ken Ham and his fundie cohorts (you know, those who know they’re just ripe for a rapturin’) would do us all a favor and actually get raptured, I bet the rest of us would get along pretty well.

  12. We are indeed in a fierce and ongoing spiritual war for our kids, which is why it is so important to teach your children the truth of God’s Word and equip them with answers so that they can defend the hope within them.

    The real question is how long it will be before creationists decide spiritual warfare isn’t enough and start equipping their children, and themselves, with actual weapons to fight for Christ in the streets rather than merely in the schools.

  13. Hamster says: “. . . they are in rebellion against the One who created them and owns them.”
    —————-
    My parents created me, and their parents created them, and so on.
    No one owns me – the very thought is disgusting and repulsive. Hamster’s views are downright evil.

  14. I decided that Hambo has well and truly gone “round the bend” a couple of months ago with the advent of his “Flat Ken” stunt, where his acolytes are encouraged to take pictures of themselves in various places with a cardboard cutout of himself. He just gets creepier with time.

  15. Megalonyx opines: “Nope, Hambo, plenty of Christians aren’t Creationists, and plenty of non-Christians (Jews, Muslims, Hindus) are–so no call to play the persecution card.”

    But he has to play the persecution card. It’s the xian code. How else will his deity know him if he isn’t whining about being persecuted?

  16. This just in —

    Because of global warming, Groundhog Day has been officially moved to January 22. News at Eleven.

    (Sure, it’s OT, but then, a post about a Hambo Rant should be declared a Free-Fire Zone, don’t you think?)

  17. The whole truth

    Megalonyx aaid:

    “Nope, Hambo, plenty of Christians aren’t Creationists…”

    I strongly disagree with that. All christians must be creationists because the bible is the source of their beliefs and the bible claims that the christian ‘God’ created everything. Some christians claim to not be young earth creationists but they’re still creationists because they believe in ‘creation’ but, to me, a person is not a ‘true’ christian unless they are a YEC and adhere to everything in the bible exactly.

    So-called christians modify their beliefs to their liking and still call themselves christians even though the modifications are often so far from what the bible says that the person might as well say that they made up their own religion and call it something other than christianity. The same thing goes for the people of other religions.

    Not only do people modify their religious beliefs to their liking but they often argue or even kill each other over the differences in their beliefs, even when they claim to be adherents to the same religion.

    Even Hambo isn’t a ‘true’ christian. He doesn’t adhere to the bible exactly, although I’m sure he would if he could get away with it.

  18. All these stupid Nobel winning scientists who think they know more than the scientifically illiterate Ken Ham! What fools they are.

  19. The no true christian is also a logical fallacy. If even Ol’ Hambo isn’t a ‘true’ christian the word ‘true’ becomes meaningless.

  20. From the Scottish Government’s website: Our aims include “We are better educated, more skilled and more successful, renowned for our research and innovation” & “Our young people are successful learners, confident individuals, effective contributors and responsible citizens”

    So for Ham to say the government has nothing to do with education, it’s well, a lie.

  21. It seems that Ham is ignoring the biblical admonition to “Judge not, lest ye yourself be judged.”

  22. @The whole truth
    If by “creationist” one believes that God created all things, then, like Theodosius Dobzhansky in his famous essay, “Nothing In Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution”, all Christians are creationists.

    But let us remember that the doctrine is that all things, such as each every one of us, is a creature of God, and no one suggests that that excludes the scientific/naturalistic accounts of reproduction and development.

    On the other hand, the origins of species – well, one could argue that species are an abstraction, something only subjective, the names that Adam gave to the animals rather than the animals as created by God.

  23. @ The whole truth: I have no idea who–if anyone–has the authority to determine who is and who is not a ‘true’ Christian. I only know that I would never presume to so arbitrate. I also know that much of Western history is the bloodthirsty chronicle of different tribes of soi disant Christians murdering one another to validate their own claims to be the only ‘true’ ones–and in places, continue to do so (vide Northern Ireland)–and it’s not a pretty sight.

    I’ll leave it to Hambo to declare that, say, Dr. Kenneth R. Miller is not a ‘true’ Christian; I’ll make no such declaration, In fact, I will continue to extend to such as Dr. Miller all due respect and admiration for his work as a scientist; his personal or religious beliefs are not my concern.

  24. Oh dear, ol’ Hambo going to get might mad now. Earliest house in Britain discovered, and it is 11,500 years old by scientific dating methods. Oh yes, I forgot, YECs discount scientific methods.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7937240/Oldest-house-in-Britain-discovered-to-be-11500-years-old.html?fb