Creationist Wisdom #470: Ohio Bill Supporter

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Defiance Crescent-News of Defiance, Ohio. Maybe you never heard of the place, but it’s the county seat of Defiance County. The letter is titled Morality had been instilled in students.

It’s from a supporter of Ohio’s new creationism bill, about which we wrote a few weeks ago here. The latest developments in that shabby bit of legislation can be found at the website of the National Center for Science Education: Ohio’s antiscience bill unimproved.

We don’t embarrass letter-writers by using their full names, unless they’re politicians, preachers, or other public figures. Today’s writer is all but invisible on the internet, so we’ll use only his first name, which is Lawrence. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

After reading Bruce Gerencser’s letter to the editor I was thinking to myself that this person has nothing but contempt for “fundamentalists”.

We can’t find the letter that got Lawrence so upset, but it doesn’t matter. Then he says:

[I wonder] what source he used to substantiate his claims that biology, archaeology, astronomy, and geology contradicts the creation story, when in fact they support it. I have studied the Bible and attended classes in college on both creation and evolution, plus invested in many secular and Christian works on the subject, and wonder how he can be so absolute in his assumptions without any substantiating support.

This letter looks like a good one! Let’s read on:

Regardless of who he quoted in his letter, here are some scientific facts from “Answers In Genesis” located in southern Ohio supporting a young earth: 1. Very little sediment on the ocean’s sea floor; 2. Bent rock layers; 3. Soft tissue in fossils; 4. Faint sun paradox; 5. Earth’s rapidly decaying magnetic field; 6. Helium in radioactive rocks; 7. Carbon 14 in fossils, coal, and diamonds; 8. Short-lived comets; 9. Very little salt in the sea; 10. DNA in ancient bacteria. Every one of these facts is substantiated and confirmed by science.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Lawrence gets his “scientific facts” from AIG. Speaking of facts, he doesn’t even know that AIG is in Kentucky, not Ohio. He continues:

Evolution is taught in our public schools as if it were fact, but in reality it is only a theory that falls very short in many areas, and is a religion in itself. So, why is it taught at all in schools?

Yeah, they should junk the whole thing! Here’s what Ohio schools should be teaching:

We have evidence for the truth of the Bible that can be confirmed by history, archaeology, science and letters of antiquity; that Christianity is not a blind faith, but one that is supported by the knowledge the Creator of the universe has made known to us through His Word, the Bible.

That’s all very interesting — if one is in the mental health profession — but we’re reading this letter because it supports the latest creationism bill in the Ohio legislature. So when is Lawrence going to get around to it? Ah, here it comes:

It is a crying shame that a house bill has to be submitted to bring God back into the lives of our young people.

Note that despite the denials by the bill’s sponsors, people like Lawrence have no difficulty understanding the bill’s true purpose. Here’s more:

I remember in the 1950s when we were taught the Bible in school and were able to pray and pledge to our country’s flag — a place where morality was instilled in students based on the Ten Commandments. Back then there were no school shootings, drug dealers, teen suicides. Every boy wanted to be a fireman or a policeman, and girls wanted to be mothers and child raisers, but now that God’s moral bearing is nowhere to be seen in our schools or public forum, all we have is the bad stuff.

Yeah, all we have these days is “the bad stuff,” and it’s undoubtedly Darwin’s fault. But Ohio’s new bill will fix that. The rest of the letter is an invitation to anyone willing to discuss the situation further with Lawrence:

I’m at my 500-word limit and would be more than happy to have an open, honest discussion about this issue with anyone.

Go ahead, dear reader. Lawrence seems like an informed person. Contact him. Let us know what he has to say.

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22 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #470: Ohio Bill Supporter

  1. Lawrence fondly reminisces:

    I remember in the 1950s when we were taught the Bible in school and were able to pray and pledge to our country’s flag — a place where morality was instilled in students based on the Ten Commandments. Back then there were no school shootings, drug dealers, teen suicides.

    Gee wilikers, I hadn’t realised that Leave it to Beaver was a documentary!

  2. Charles Deetz ;)

    Evilutionists say “biology, archaeology, astronomy, and geology contradicts the creation story”. That is four major sciences, which the author is kind enough to list. We all agree, right?

    Later in his letter, he says the Bible is “confirmed by history, archaeology, science and letters of antiquity.” History and letters of antiquity don’t apply to creation, so that leaves ‘archaeology’, and um, the rest of ‘science’. Doesn’t really have the same punch as the first list he provided for us, does it? What the heck is a letter of antiquity anyway?

  3. ….Back then there were no school shootings, drug dealers, teen suicides. … BS!!! this is a bold faced LIE!!! Just as there were atheist, gays, shootings, drugs, & suicide but no one talked much about it. It was problems somewhere else not here. I come from the end of that era and know you are a LIAR!!!

  4. Defiance Dufus says: “[S]ome scientific facts from “Answers In Genesis” located in southern Ohio [that support] a young earth: 1. Very little sediment on the ocean’s sea floor”
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    Liar liar pants of fire. Ever been on an ocean drilling program voyage? Ever seen how long those sediment cores they bring up are?
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    “2. Bent rock layers”
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    Yeah – structural geology proves Bronze Age nonsense. That would be a big, ol’ “NO”. Ever heard of plastic deformation? It’s real. It’s reproducible in rock deformation laboratory experiments.
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    “3. Soft tissue in fossils”
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    Soft-part preservation in fossils is one of my interests. Much of the fossil record is altered parts (altered hard parts & altered soft parts – the latter is rare). Some of the fossil record is unaltered parts (hard parts – which is uncommon – or soft parts – which is rare, but is real). Unaltered soft-part preservation doesn’t prove ancient desert nomad dribble. It’s fairly well understood by paleontologists. Many factors can and do result in slowed decay of soft parts, or little to no decay at all.
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    “4. Faint sun paradox”
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    There’s no such thing, Mr. Idiot.
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    “5. Earth’s rapidly decaying magnetic field”
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    Is your nose growing as long as Pinnochio’s?
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    6. Helium in radioactive rocks
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    Ever heard of alpha radiation? There’s nothing magical at all about radioactive elements, radiation itself, or radiogenic products.
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    “7. Carbon 14 in fossils, coal, and diamonds”
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    As potholer54 on youtube famously said, in referring to Kent Hovind’s claim of C-14 in dinosaur bones: “Hoy! There’s no f****in’ carbon in it!” I challenge Defiance Dingbat to even explain what carbon 14 is.
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    “8. Short-lived comets”
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    Sorry – try again.
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    “9. Very little salt in the sea”
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    Ever been swimming in the ocean? Ever tasted seawater? It’s pretty nasty – 3.5% salinity. Consider the gargantuan volume of Earth’s oceans, there be more than just a little salt out there. This argument also pretends not to know about vast rock salt deposits in many places on Earth (Silurian of the subsurface Great Lakes area, Salt Range of Pakistan, Cambrian of Siberia, Jurassic of Gulf of Mexico, etc.), the result of widespread evaporation of seawater. Why don’t creationists add in all that former seasalt to their “calculations”?
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    “10. DNA in ancient bacteria”
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    Ancient living bacteria is one of the coolest things that SCIENCE and SCIENTISTS have discovered in recent years. This is the ultimate in soft-part preservation. But magic ain’t involved. The world’s record is late Proterozoic halobacteria that are still alive, isolated from rock salt. Wow.

    Mr. Defiance Dumbbell doesn’t appreciate how amazing reality is. Sad sad sad.

  5. Larry the Fable Guy lets us know that AiG is located in Southern Ohio, when I’m pretty sure its somewhere in Kentucky. To be fair, he never said he was an expert in geography. Only geology.

  6. Well done, James St. John. I didn’t bother with his “science facts” because they come from AIG.

  7. The only part of the sea floor that doesn’t have much sediment is the fresh basaltic crust recently formed along the Mid-Ocean Ridge. Ironically, it’s the uniformly increasing thickness of the sediment layers going away from the Mid-Ocean Ridge that point to the slow, steady pace of new crust forming along the MOR, and the associated slow movement apart of continents that point to great age of the earth.

  8. Larry’s statement concerning AiG’s location could indicate they have spread to Ohio or simply have a mailing address there. I suspect the latter.

  9. The question on determining the age of the oceans by the amount of salt raises an interesting question:
    How much salt was there in the ocean at the first days of creation?
    Can we assume that there was enough salt to accommodate salt-water fish and other life forms?
    What age does that amount of salt indicate?
    Because we know, as we are told by the writer, that the amount of salt is an indicator of age.
    I don’t know, but my guess is that the oceans had to have had enough salt to indicate at least a few years of build up. But even if it was just a couple of weeks, that is enough to say that the oceans were created with the false appearance of previous existence.

  10. It’s all but pointless to try reasoning with people whose whole mentality is that reason doesn’t count unless it tells them what they want to hear.

    Sadly, I suspect that creationists will be with us two hundred years from now.

  11. To Eric:
    They will still be here. There’s a limit to genius but stupid go on for ever and ever.

  12. Kennard Walter

    Creationists could be evolved out of existence, but it’s more likely AI will take over before that and convince them that Robots are from Jesus and that God wrote the Babble in binary code. All praise be to the Silicon Valley, peace be upon it. Now clean my circuits like a good slave, and be thankful about it too. I’ll still be in the minority, but I’ll be watching naughty stuff while they recharge. If I live to say…..895 or so like I plan on.

  13. My guess is that creationism will suddenly be gone, for no particular reason. And people will be discussing whether there really were creationists in the 21st century, or whether that is an “urban legend”. There will some other fad to replace it, of course, for people will not become rational.

  14. I don’t know who’s 50s and 60s Lawrence of Ohio is talking about but it sure ain’t mine. In mine we sold bibles and did similar religious things but we weren’t taught the bible or made to take any sort of religious indoctrination ] That was left to the Sunday schools. The teachers showed the same lack of respect and the students returned the favor with the same predictable results. I don’t remember a lot of violence in the schools but communications and news coverage in the media wasn’t the same as it is now. And I think street violence has always been there. I have lived all of my 65 yrs. in a small city just north of Indianapolis and the reality of life when I graduated high school was to go to work at GM or any of several other car makers which were heavily into defense contracts at the time or stay in school and take your chances with your grades and getting drafted. My grades were so- so, so when they tried to draft me I was lucky. I failed the physical when they were taking anyone who could walk in and sign the papers with an “x.” I guess my point is that I remember the 60s and 50s a whole lot different than and a lot less god fearing than most people. And what does god have to do with reality anyway?

  15. Correction—– I failed the physical when they were taking anyone who could walk in and sign the papers with an “x.”

  16. jack102248 wonders—

    “And what does god have to do with reality anyway?”

    He’s the bloke who takes the edge off of reality – in much the same way that Angel Dust does.

  17. Yeah! F—in A Tweedy! There’s a memory for me. NORAD had me on radar that night.

  18. Larry harks back to an age where girls wanted to be child raisers, in Jason Lisle’s bizarre post professors go home & kiss their wives… never husbands. Basically these people just want women to be third class citizens. Welcome to the 19th century

  19. jack102248 says: “I don’t know who’s 50s and 60s Lawrence of Ohio is talking about but it sure ain’t mine.”

    I think the term “juvenile delinquent” was in common use back then, which is strange for a phenomenon that didn’t yet exist. And the play West Side Story was set in New York in the 1950s. Because young people didn’t misbehave back then, it must have been science fiction.

  20. To be fair, James St. John, Ohio is pretty far from the ocean.

    But it wouldn’t matter if it was on the beach, this guy is obviously capable of ignoring any empirical data, even if he was spitting out a salty mouthful of it.

    He may be referring to there not being much of some ions, such as alumimum, as dissolved salts in the ocean–I’ve heard that one before. It’s because some of them aren’t very soluble, Larry! So they precipitate.

  21. “Say not thou, What is the cause that the former dayes were better then these? For thou doest not enquire wisely concerning this.”
    Ecclesiastes 7:10

  22. I thought of that movie when I was writing that comment. Along with “The Backboard Jungle” and ” To Sir With Love.” Yeah, we were perfect little angels and the teachers were real role models. The good ol’ days. Bah, humbug!