Creationism in Scotland — 2014 Update

We’ll start this the way we did our Scotland update a year ago: Gather ’round, lads and lassies. The bagpipes are playing, the haggis is sizzling in the fire, and there’s a delightful breeze blowing up your kilt. It’s time for another update on the creationist scene in Scotland.

The HeraldScotland of Cambuslang, just outside Glasgow, has this story: Petition for restrictions on teaching creationist theory. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

A NEO-CREATIONIST group has been accused of seeking to spread disinformation among children by calling for theories that deny evolution to be taught in science lessons. The Centre for Intelligent Design (C4ID), based in Glasgow, claims evolution should be taught objectively.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, and Flat-Earth should also be taught objectively. It’s the fair thing to do. Then we’re told:

The C4ID, which opened four years ago, expressed its views in response to a petition submitted to the Scottish Parliament by the Scottish Secular Society. The petition, to be heard on November 11, calls for official guidance to be issued in schools barring the presentation of creationist and Young Earth doctrines as viable alternatives to the science of evolution. It has been backed by three Nobel-winning British scientists – Sir Harold Kroto, Sir Richard Roberts and Sir John Sulston.

You’re probably familiar with the situation because we recently wrote about ol’ Hambo’s reaction — see Ken Ham Is Furious About Scotland. Let’s read on:

Alastair Noble, director of C4ID, said his organisation believed the petition was based on imposing a “particular world view”. He ­acknowledged the idea of teaching “for and against” evolution would be controversial, but claimed it was consistent with scientific method.

Yes, the scientific method. It’s the same with teaching “for and against” Flat Earth — the schools should present both sides of that controversy too.

As you may have guessed, the Discovery Institute has been posting that they’re fully in support of C4ID. From four years ago, see New Centre for Intelligent Design opens in UK, and more recently: Meyer Speaks in London to Centre for Intelligent Design UK, which begins with these words: “Our British sister organization, the Centre for Intelligent Design UK (C4ID) … .” So you know what the Scots are dealing with. Today’s news story continues:

But Paul Braterman, an honorary senior research fellow in chemistry at Glasgow University and committee member of the British Centre for Science Education (BCSE), a campaign to keep religion out of science classes, said C4ID was using “tired” arguments that were “merely a stalking horse for creationism.”

Braterman sometimes comments on this humble blog, so he’s obviously one of the good guys. There’s a bit more, but we’ve excerpted enough. The HeraldScotland has a comments section for that news story, but there haven’t been any yet. Stay tuned to this blog for further news of that worthy petition.

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13 responses to “Creationism in Scotland — 2014 Update

  1. The Centre for Intelligent Design (C4ID), based in Glasgow, claims evolution should be taught objectively.

    Nothing wrong with that. But that’s not really what they want, is it? What they mean is that students should be taught that it’s “just a theory” (by which they mean a SWAG, a scientific wild-ass guess), and a deeply flawed one at that, to which there exists a perfectly reasonable scientific alternative which just happens to bear out Genesis point-for-point.

    I guess we’ll never run out of horse [manure] until we run out of horse’s asses, which won’t be any time soon.

  2. Derek Freyberg

    For those who would like to see Paul Braterman’s latest on this (yesterday), which has links to the various petitions and counter-petitions and Paul’s earlier writings, go to

  3. And, of course, the way that a new theory should be introduced to the scientific community is by having it pass peer review by elementary school children.

    Isn’t that the way that Wegener, McClintock, Bretz did it?

  4. In the interests of fairness why not include hollow earth or even concave hollow earth in the curriculum. Happy haggis.

  5. Their stupid acronym, C4ID, is stupidly stupid. I guess they imagine it’s how all the kids are doing it, you know, on their twitters and the facewebs and computer chats and smartphone talkings. As a relatively young person who is, as a matter of fact, raising a couple of even younger people, I am insulted. Sure, C4ID, your sanctimony and religious zeal are magnificent, but your condescending tone really sets you apart. And none of us our fooled by your pseudoscience or your pseudohipness.

    The first ten times I read their stupidly stupid acronym I thought to myself, “self, what can all those C’s stand for? I mean, who needs four C’s in their name?” But, to be honest, I lost all interest by the time I finished reading and didn’t bother to look it up. But I did invent one:

    Creationist Centre for Confusing Children, and also Intelligent Design

  6. @Mark Germano
    “Centre 4 [for] Intelligent Design”.

    In military doctrine, C4 is “Command, Control, Communications, Computing”

  7. In ID doctrine it may as well be none “of the above.” :-))

  8. michaelfugate

    “The Centre for Intelligent Design (C4ID), based in Glasgow, claims evolution should be taught objectively subjectively.”

  9. @TomS: That’s where my brain wanted to go. C4I is Command, Control, Comms, Computers, and Intelligence. Interestingly, the first two C’s can also be coupled with PSYOPS, electronic warfare, and information operations, all things the DI does very well.

    You can also add interoperability to the list, as in ID is interoperable with YEC and OEC.

  10. The part I don’t understand is that people cannot see that the whole creationism gets you no where and to nothing important. OK gawd did it & used magic, now what??? When this great science and the science in the buyBull gives these dimwits cell phones that work on batteries copied from the Ark of the Covenant then they will have something worth while.

  11. CCCCI-D is the 5th century.
    Famous for the final Fall of the Western Roman Empire

  12. Well played, TomS. Well played, indeed.

  13. You can help (the petitioners, not Ham) by contactng the committee at

    I would request that any contributions be polite, avoid discussing religion as such (a sure fire losing strategy in such a forum), and emphasise that all the petition seeks is protection of schoolchildren from disinformation.

    More detailed suggestions at Scotland’s Kitzmiller; we need your help