Ken Ham Wants Full-Blown Theocracy

Every now and then, creationists slip up and let you know what they’re really thinking. So it is today with Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia, famed for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG) and for the mind-boggling Creation Museum.

Ol’ Hambo’s newest article is Separation of Christianity and State. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

Almost all Americans have heard the phrase “separation of church and state.” It has been used as something of a club to “beat down” and eliminate Christianity from public places, including symbols (like crosses), disallow Bible reading and prayer in public schools, and stop the teaching of creation in science classes.

Now, where does the phrase “separation of church and state” come from? It is not a part of the original U.S. Constitution of 1787, as most people falsely believe, or in any of its amendments.

It’s not in the Constitution? Egad — this is startling news! Well, that specific phrase isn’t there. Neither is “checks and balances” or “separation of powers.” We’ve discussed this before. See Ken Ham Unhinged: Creationism & Theocracy Too.

Hey , wait a minute! In that old post we were responding to something Hambo wrote and it’s the exact same essay he posted today! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Hambo is a recycling an old post.

It’s amazing that ol’ Hambo thinks enough of his old clunker that he considers it worthy of being republished. He’s lived in this country for years, yet he knows nothing about it. His knowledge of our political system seems even worse than his knowledge of science. How can that be? Well, he spends all of his time with drooling creationists, so what else can we expect?

Okay, now that this post has fizzled out, what shall we talk about? We just went through a big election in the US, so we’re in the mood give you a few of our favorite links about the country’s illustrious past:

President of the United States in Congress assembled, listing ten Presidents before George Washington.

The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom, drafted by Thomas Jefferson.

Veto of federal public works bill by James Madison, because pork barrel spending is unconstitutional.

Now it’s time for an Intellectual Free-Fire Zone. As with all our free-fire zones, we’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

The comments are open, dear reader. Have at it!

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12 responses to “Ken Ham Wants Full-Blown Theocracy

  1. OK, since you are talkin’ church and state and constitution and such, I will throw in one of my hobbies that I was not able to get the media and the candidates to take up during the run up to the election the other day; despite Rep. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) being all over the news for days, weeks, months.

    Maybe now that he is in a runoff someone will pick up on it.

    Someone got to Bill Cassidy a few months ago and got him to introduce a bill, H.R. 4493, in Congress as if it would thwart on-going litigation by the FFRF challenging the income tax free ministerial housing benefit provided by Internal Revenue Code Section 107.

    The bill, with no co-sponsors, is pending in the Ways and Means Committee. It may die there, but there it sits as a testimony to Bill Cassidy’s politics and commitment to the constitution (or lack thereof).

    The FFRF case is awaiting a decision by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    The only media attention I recall dealing with the Cassidy bill was posted a few months ago by Forbes contributor Peter J Reilly.

    Here’s the link (remove spaces to make link work):

    ht tp:// w w w . forbes . com /sites/peterjreilly/2014/04/17/bill-cassidy-providing-emergency-assistance-to-wealthy-televangelists/

  2. And now, the award for the Most Grating Phony Laugh in Politics goes to:
    No, not Hillary Clinton — she’s first runner -up —
    (drumroll continues)
    It goes to —
    That pig-castrating, one-pony-wonder senator-elect from Iowa,
    Joni Ernst!

    Republican strategists and planners must have been cringing as they listened to her victory speech. Her voice is grating enough, but then when she breaks into her fingernails-on-the-blackboard laugh, it’s so bad it croaks the birds right out of the trees. She has to be a creationist. No rational person could sound that bad.

  3. Back in April I discovered that the stage of the band shell at the city park is just big enough for me to turn circles on riding no hands while I play guitar on my bicycle. From April to October I performed dozens of free concerts there for the public lasting an hour or two each. There was an additional hour or so of travel time from my house to the park and back riding and playing all the way.

    I built a Lego model to illustrate one of these concerts. The page has an embedded YouTube clip (31 seconds long) that shows what it looks like in real life to see me riding and playing on the stage. There is a link at the bottom of the page to online building instructions for anyone who wants to build this Lego model .

    I just got today the last parts needed to assemble this model. It has about five hundred parts and will take at least a couple hours to assemble. Once built I will keep it on display, occasionally taking it with me to my gigs to sit next to my tip jar in hopes of attracting donations.

  4. Ken Ham wants “Full Blown Theocracy?” Umm… isn’t that what ISIS wants?
    Maybe Ken and some ISIS dude could duke it out over what brand of theocracy to have. Such a fight would be a great program for pay-per-view. A share of the profits on pay-per-view could go to a worthy cause, like the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

  5. Anyone capable of intelligent thought and says they want a xtian theocracy….
    Oh wait the two parts are totally at odds with one another.
    The person can just look at the middle east and hope they are the right kind of xtian.

  6. SC: “Every now and then, creationists slip up and let you know what they’re really thinking…”

    “Every now and then” is nearly every sentence, if one reads carefully between the lines. For 17 years I have been reading between 1000s of lines of many different “kinds” of creationist, and what I hear loud and clear is:

    “Yeah, we know that multiple lines of evidence favor ‘macroevolution’, and there’s not a shred of evidence that all sorts of ‘kinds’ popped up in a few days a few 1000 years ago. But we’re deathly that the ‘masses’ would misbehave even more than they do now if they knew the truth. And we firmly believe that the only way to prevent that is with a radical authoritarian culture. Yeah, we know that that’s exactly what the Founding Fathers wanted to get away from, but they’re not around to defend themselves so we can play word games and pretend that they’d support us.”

  7. Good one, Frank J.

    “Separation of church and state” isn’t in the Constitution? Try this one: “No religious test shall ever be required for any office or public trust under the United States” (from Article VI, paragraph 3).

    Know what really isn’t in the Constitution? Any mention of God, except for the pro forma reference to “the year of our Lord” in the date of its adoption given at the foot of the document.

  8. When Hambo left Aussie shores he could have went anywhere in the world, including at least one constitutional theocracy (Iran).
    To me it is baffling how conservatives want to restrict the southern border from people who do useful tasks that no American well do, yet in comes Hambo who provides nothing useful at all.

  9. I just do not understand how creationists like Hambo reconcile their assertion that the founding fathers wanted to establish a Christian nation with the fact that there is absolutely no mention of Christianity in the Constitution.

    Even though the Declaration of Independence mentions a “Creator” it describes the Creator as “Nature and Nature’s God” which is a wording that only an 18th century Deist would use.

    The Founding Fathers were products of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason and if they believed in a supreme being at all it was the God of Deism. Banning public school prayer and creationist education policies in the 1960s would have been something the Founders would have thought was something that should have been done much sooner.

  10. Stephen Kennedy: “The Founding Fathers were products of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason and if they believed in a supreme being at all it was the God of Deism.”

    Note how, despite peddling a cartoon god, these paranoid authoritarians – and again I mean everyone from flat-Earth YECs to common-descent-conceding Discoveroids – have no problem with Deism, as long as it’s from people they can quote-mine, like dead Founding Fathers, or Antony Flew, when he was still alive but scammed by pseudoscience. Yet they’ll never rave about Ken Miller, a devout Christian who finds Deism too hands-off. Why? Because he exposes ID/creationism as the scam that it is.

    That said, I think the anti-evolution activists recognize the irony better than critics: Keeping government out of religion actually helps religion. Unless of course the religion is a bad one. As Franklin noted:

    When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and, when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.

  11. Once again Ham displays his ignorance of Christian history. Back in the 16th century, when the Church and the State were one in western Europe, it was Christians [anabaptists] who pointed out that there should be a clear and complete separation of church and state. Many xians read their bible [and the Constitution] a lot differently than Ham and still uphold the idea of separation.

  12. @Douglas E
    Oh, if you’re going back to that old time religion. Back in the 16th-17th-18th century –
    They took the prohibition on graven images seriously – no crosses, and if anybody had thought of carving a Ten Commandments –
    Christmas was taken as a combination of Papism and paganism
    And it wasn’t so long ago that the Sabbath was taken seriously –