You’re Either For Ken Ham or Against Him

We’re starting to worry about Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia, famed for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG) and for the mind-boggling Creation Museum.

We use to think of him as a source of amusement — a sly and successful creationist entrepreneur, operating a profitable roadside tourist attraction that appeals to drooling creationists. But now … well, judge for yourself. He just posted this: Another Ark Attack. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

The atheist group that has been behind the vehement attacks on our Ark Encounter project recently complained about a Bible-themed display in a park in Newark, Delaware. … [T]he display contained several verses from Genesis about the Flood of Noah’s day as well as a black and white drawing of an Ark. Two atheist grandparents complained about the display to their local chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU).

Hambo doesn’t say, but we assume that display was in a public park, one that is taxpayer owned and maintained. In other words, it wasn’t at a church or on someone’s private property. Okay, what happened after the grandparents complained? We’re told:

AU approached the city and “demanded the removal of the Noah’s Ark display based on the claim that its religious message was a violation of the establishment clause.” After an investigation, the city complied and the display has since been taken down.

Okay. So what? Let’s read on:

After the sign was removed, the Delaware Valley Chapter of AU then posted this on their Facebook page on November 3, “Another AU victory in keeping government from promoting religion!” This clearly shows their agenda — to keep any mention of God or Christianity out of the public arena.

We already knew their agenda — to maintain the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. Hambo continues:

Despite our Christian heritage in America, AU is trying to obliterate all signs of God from our culture.

Wow! Hambo really doesn’t grasp the difference between a government display of religion, which is wrong, and a privately owned and financed display — like Hambo’s creationist extravaganza — which is perfectly legal. Here’s more:

As atheist groups like AU continue to be vocal and win “victories” like this one, we can only expect religious freedom to continue to decrease.

Is he just playing to his drooling audience, or is it possible that he really doesn’t get it? Moving along:

We need to understand that when an atheist group like this has a Christian display/message removed, they have successfully removed the Christian religion and are now imposing their religion of atheism on the culture!

Amazing! A public park without religious displays — just trees and grass and walkways — is imposing atheism on everyone. But if it had an ark-load of gaudy bible displays it wouldn’t be imposing on anyone.

That was all pretty weird, but it’s just the warm-up for what’s coming next. Pay attention to this excerpt. It’s the one that causes us concern:

Just because they remove a Christian message does not mean there is a neutral situation — there is no neutral position. One is either for or against Christ! They are against Christ and want to impose their religion on the whole culture.

Well, there it is. We’re not sure what to make of it. As we said, we’re starting to worry about ol’ Hambo. If he’s serious, things could get very strange, very quickly. We’ll be watching.

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31 responses to “You’re Either For Ken Ham or Against Him

  1. It’s interesting that, unlike this blog, Ham’s site doesn’t accept comments – is he afraid of responses?

  2. Mr. Ham, if you don’t care much for the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, please return to your native Australia and leave us alone.

    You certainly know how to incite your followers to part with their money. If you didn’t have the ACLU as your boogeyman, you’d have to invent one.

  3. Did Hambone get US citizenship? My understanding is that people applying for US citizenship have to learn something about US history and the US Constitution. Indeed, my friends from other countries who have gotten US citizenship generally know more about the Constitution and US history than the native-born people I know. So, wasn’t Hambone paying attention?

  4. This is standard rhetoric on the fundy right, even among those who are more educated than Ham. There is no neutrality; you are with us or against us. The government is explicitly Christian or implicitly Satanic. The public schools teach Christianity or they teach atheism; there is no middle course, and no compromise is possible. Pray in the name of Jesus or in the name of Satan. I find it very alarming.

  5. Well personally I prefer Ganesh. Wonder what Hambone would think of that?

  6. Ah, the call of the Lesser Spotted Loon: “you’re either with us or against us”.

    It reverberates down the ages. Alas, it is often followed by other cries: “Deus le veult”; “Death to the infidel”; “God will know his own”; “Alluhah ackbar”; “No surrender”; many others.

    Still other sounds may ensue: the groans of the dying; the wails of the mourners; the roar of the flames; the dry whisper of the indifferent wind over the ruins.

    But this is only the call of the Lesser Spotted Loon, a protected species. It is rarer, now, I think, even though it is noisy. Would that it were extinct.

  7. Ken should have done his homework here. If he had, he would know that newark is the home of U Delaware’s Fighting Blue Hens. And he would also have known the following “Mount Farm’s Blue Label chicken is a line of fresh premium jumbo sized chickens” .
    This AU group is obviously substituting the “Cult of the Blue Hen” for ken’s “Cult of the Ark Chicken”. As in afraid of facing reality and substituting magical dogma in its stead.
    Delaware Atheist Blue Hens are taking over the playgrounds…!

  8. abeastwood observes, “Indeed, my friends from other countries who have gotten US citizenship generally know more about the Constitution and US history than the native-born people I know.”

    Makes sense. We native-borners probably last studied the Constitution in the 8th grade, when we were 13 years old. You and I are about the same age, AB. How much do you remember clearly from that hormone-soaked age?

    On the other hand, most naturalized citizens are learning about US history and the Constitution as adults, so in addition to their being better students, their studies will be fresher in their memories. In a speech given in 2007, Ham states that he “is now a US citizen.” ( So, he is certainly aware that the Constitution prohibits the government from respecting an establishment of religion. He’s just spouting what he knows will get his droolers to write checks so that he “can defend christianity”.

  9. Charles Deetz ;)

    From what I saw at Panda’s Thumb last week, Hambo can’t tell the difference between a non-profit/religious organization and a for-profit/public one. That same cognitive dissonance is further confirmed here. His letter in Panda’s Thumb post may be the undoing of the Ark Park, and he is going to think he can blame a government out to get christians. He complains about not being able to discriminate in hiring for his for profit park, and then asks for non-profit donations to support that same park … like it all one till.

  10. Charles Deetz ;)

    David Barton is headed down this road too, where RWW posts him saying that “Until we get back into saying, you know, I’ve got to have a biblical view on computer programming…”

    Everything needs to be biblical? Really? Maybe my boss and I can pray over the email reply I’m going to send to someone in Japan tomorrow. And then quietly pray to myself when I hit the print button (instead of the satanic control-P). Of course we already know from the bible that the toilet paper roll set ‘under’ is the evil one’s worst trap.

    What morons.

  11. Where would Ham and all the other religious bigots, even the DI, be if they didn’t have a convenient scapegoat to blame all their woes on.

  12. James Madison explained that, if one was for Christ, one had also to be for religious freedom, what eventually became the First Amendment.

    So Americans United (which is headed by an ordained minister, by the way; not an atheist-only organization by any stretch) is for Christ, because they are for the First Amendment.

    And Ken Ham? Well, he is not for Christ, as he states.

    Gee, this isn’t so thorny an issue as it may have looked.

    Hambo, get thee behind us all.

  13. RSG nailed it. I’m actually very open to immigration, especially since in the U.S. education is compulsory to a rather old age there is a niche for an uneducated labor force. Immigrants are highly mobile, hard working, and very necessary for agriculture and many other physical jobs. Hambo caters to the social conservative wing of the Republican party so I’d very much like to hear his views on immigration.

  14. Abeastwood wonders: “Well personally I prefer Ganesh. Wonder what Hambone would think of that?”
    That you’re against christ of course.

  15. Just because they remove a Christian message does not mean there is a neutral situation — there is no neutral position. One is either for or against Christ! They are against Christ and want to impose their religion on the whole culture.

    Projecting much, Kenny boy?

    If people like him got power (and don’t laugh, it’s possible) this site would be shut down and its contributors hunted and imprisoned, in the name of Christ the Redeemer. Meanwhile, they squeal in outrage every time they don’t get their way.

  16. Ceteris Paribus

    Ham’s wrong-headed understanding of how secular government and sectarian religion are supposed to interact with each other in a civilized society calls to mind an aphorism by Garrison Keillor some years ago.

    [miss]quoting from memory, it was to the effect that:

    “Somebody went and opened Pandora’s Box, and the local idiots fell all over themselves in the rush to jump inside.”

  17. Curmy contemplates—

    “Is [Ham] just playing to his drooling audience, or is it possible that he really doesn’t get it?”

    There’s a third possibility: Despite initial misgivings, Kanny Humbug has been beating this particular drum kit for so long and with such regularity that he’s convinced himself its rhythm rhymes true.

    Be that as it may, Humbug’s either-for-or-against-with-no-other-possibility take is a reflection of his victim mentality – and a rather transparent one at that, geared to garner support through polarisation. One can be thoroughly amused by some of his antics without wishing that he would stop. Personally, I think he’s doing a great job laying bare the absurdities of the beliefs he vaunts.

  18. Charles Deetz– I didn’t follow the link you posted, but I’m sure you’re as mystified as I am about “…having a biblical view on computer programming…” could possibly mean. I’ve written programs in Fortran, Basic, C, Java, Assembly Language, and PHP and never seen anything in any of them that remotely resembled a biblical passage.

  19. Ceteris Paribus

    @abeastwood I quite fancy that the programming language used for SC’s magnificent Drool-o-tron™ computer is
    in fact named “DROOL”: the D[isgusting] R[eligious] O[ffal] O[f] L[iars].

  20. Diogenes Lamp

    The inventors of computer science (Turing, the topic of a new movie), the world wide web (Berners-Lee) and Linux (Torvalds) were all atheists. Bill Gates talks like an atheist but “believes in belief.”

  21. @abeastwood: What!?!? BLASPHEMER! I cite Cobol 11:21: “And, lo, thou whilst use the * > when commenting, in His Glory!” Or CPP 4:6, “Truly is it written that your dev/null pointer is at an end.” Where did you get such lies!?!?

  22. Diogenes Lamp

    The other day, you’ll recall, Prof. Tertius and I were in an argument over my claim that fundamentalism is a Utopian political ideology. Prof. T objected because, says he, fundamentalists don’t see themselves as personally morally perfect, but as “sinners”– which might be true of some fundamentalists but not others (Ken Ham does see himself as morally perfect), but at any rate, does not refute my thesis: I claimed that fundamentalism as a political ideology is Utopian, which does not entail a claim of personal moral perfection on the part of most fundamentalists, because fundies reject the feminist belief that the personal is political. Fundies decouple the personal and the political; and furthermore, when they say “we are all sinners”, the only sins they will admit that true Christians commit are peccadillos that are irrelevant politically, such as “I gossiped about my neighbor.” If the only sins they admit committing are irrelevant to the corruption of political institutions, then any such caveats do not challenge my thesis that fundamentalism as a political ideology, and as a comprehensive theory of all human history, is Utopian.

    Communists likewise did not claim personal moral perfection, but it does not change the fact that Communism as a comprehensive theory of history was Utopian.

    I bring this up because of the marvelous link about David Barton kindly provided by Charles above. Barton, a Dominionist (Christian fascist) pseudo-historian and follower of Rushdoony who is sometimes touted as a candidate for US Congress, expresses the political Utopianism of fundamentalism:

    “if we don’t get that back to where everyone has a common worldview and, based on our documents, that is there is a God, he gives you a certain set of rights, government protects those rights, he gives a fixed moral law that I’m not allowed to alter and then, below that, I can make decisions, until we get back to the common understanding of the nation, we won’t have a stable nation

    The promise of a “stable nation” is his Utopian promise. Maybe Christians will be individually imperfect (and some fundies would even deny that) but our nation will be “stable” forever, nothing will EVER take away our “stability”, and the minor peccadilloes that Christians will admit to (I’m a gossip!) are carefully structured as irrelevant to the corruption of political institutions.

    (Does Barton above claim that when everyone has his worldview, no one can “make decisions”? As for his claim that Americans in the past all had a “common worldview” based on the inerrant revelation of the Bible, it’s a historical lie about an idealized past that never existed; and his demand that we all return to a “common worldview” that never existed is both Utopian and fascist mind control.)

    As I said before, this distinction depends on the personal being decoupled from the political. In the sexual assault scandals at Patrick Henry College, Pensacola Christian College, and BJU, the administrations altered the facts so as to turn a political, structural problem into personal sins (“You were asking for it by the way you dressed”; demanding that the rape victims analyze their own “root sin” which caused them to be raped.)

    Fundamentalism as a political ideology and comprehensive theory of all history deserves the same degree of scrutiny that is applied to Marxism, but doesn’t get it.

  23. I wonder if Ham believes that every time he walks through a park, tosses breadcrumbs to the ducks in the pond, and rests on a bench in a sunny spot along the path, that he is against Christ. Does he feel particularly satanic when he walks into a courthouse or other government building that doesn’t display the 10 commandments on on its lawn? Does he feel shame when he rides a public bus without a Jesus-fish on the back? (Okay, he has probably never ridden a bus in his life, but…)

    It almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almost.

  24. Ed says: “It almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almost.”

    Assuming he’s serious, then he probably thinks the only truly Christian place in the world is his creation museum, and maybe a few other places like churches that preach his view of things. Everything else is hostile territory.

  25. “One is either for or against Christ!” Swell. Now Christ is in A+. Does Carrier know about this?

  26. abeastwood: ” I’ve written programs in Fortran, Basic, C, Java, Assembly Language, and PHP and never seen anything in any of them that remotely resembled a biblical passage.”

    Back in another universe in a distant time warp, my first “career” out of college was in a large corporation’s headquarters. There were no such things as “personal computers”. There weren’t even any hand-held calculators (or even desk-top electronic calculators, for that matter). The corporate computer (note the singular) was located in the entire ground floor of an adjacent building, and the programmers thereof were referred to as the High Priests of the Computer.

    At some point between then and now, someone removed this religion from computers. Ham should be offended.

  27. For those of you who might wonder what life would be like if Hambone and his ilk ever seized the levers of power I strongly recommend the first “book” in Heinlein’s Revolt in 2100, titled “If this Goes On-“. Shades of Reverend Nehemiah Scudder indeed!

  28. Poor Ham, the Discoveroids are against him, Especially Medved and Klinghoffer, who not only don’t buy the young-earth nonsense, they don’t even buy the Jesus thing. The irony is that the Discoveroids’ big tent scam helps sell his snake oil better than his own efforts. But you know martyrs are never satisfied.

  29. The only thing I can say about ol’Hambo is he belongs in a Dr. Seuss story.

  30. creativerealms

    He’s seeing atheists everywhere even where there are no atheists. Americans United for Separation of Church and State is not an Atheist group, even a minute of research can tell someone that.

  31. My son is in grad school at U of Delaware> I have asked him to get me the local paper story on the Ark issue. How funny though. Newark DE is pronounced New Ark as in the city was supposed to be a new Ark for its inhabitants.