Ken Ham Debunks the Latest Fossil Discovery

You’ve probably seen the news about the recent discovery of a partial lower jaw in Ethiopia, which is thought to be the oldest fossil of genus Homo. If not, here’s an article about it in Science, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science: Fossil pushes back human origins 400,000 years. We’ll give you a few excerpts about what was found at “a desolate site in Ethiopia called Ledi-Geraru”:

Radiometrically dated to almost 2.8 million years ago, the jaw is a window on the mysterious time when our genus emerged. With both primitive and more modern traits, it is a bridge between our genus and its ancestors and points to when and where that evolutionary transition took place. As a transitional form “it fits the bill perfectly,” says paleontologist Fred Spoor of University College London.

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The new Ledi-Geraru discovery fits best in Homo, says ASU [Arizona State University] paleoanthropologist William Kimbel. Its molars are slimmer than those of Australopithecus, the third molar is smaller, and the jawbone is shaped differently. The ASU team hasn’t assigned the jaw to a species yet because they hope to find more parts, but say that it most closely resembles H. habilis.

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But the Ledi-Geraru specimen is not likely to be a member of H. habilis itself, Spoor says. The jaw also has traits that link it with A. afarensis, such as a rounded chin region. The similarities strengthen the proposal that Lucy’s species, which lived from 2.95 million to 3.8 million years ago, was the direct ancestor of Homo. But other types of australopiths also lived during that time, making the genealogy exercise premature.

As you can imagine, the creationists aren’t happy about this. In particular, Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia, is very unhappy. Once again, as so often before, we imagine that ol’ Hambo is red in the face, foaming at the mouth, and rolling around chewing the carpet.

This was just posted at Hambo’s blog: Jawbone Found in Ethiopia Is Not a Transitional Form. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

Headlines are buzzing with news about the oldest known human in the fossil record. The specimen — half a lower jawbone with five teeth — was found in the Ledi-Geraru research area in Ethiopia and has been recently reported in the journal Science. This jaw was found in 2013 about 12 miles from where “Lucy” was originally discovered. Lucy, of course, is an extinct ape called Australopithecus afarensis, and evolutionists believe Lucy was an important step in human evolution.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Lucy, “of course, is an extinct ape.” Then Hambo says:

Officially dated at 2.8 million years, the Ledi jaw has been assigned a date midway between the “most recent” specimens of Australopithecus afarensis and the “oldest” examples of human fossils, Homo habilis. Researchers have not been able to determine the Ledi jaw’s species, but they are convinced it is a species of Homo. Its discoverers are touting it as a transitional form, a missing link between Lucy and Homo.

Ol’ Hambo isn’t fooled by such claims. Let’s read on:

But as much as the evolutionary community is raving about the convenient timeline connecting Lucy, the Ledi jaw, and later humans, many of their conclusions are based on the unverifiable dates assigned to it. And like all such millions-of-years claims, these dates are totally dependent on assumptions and worldview-based interpretations of radiometric dating methods. They are calling some of the Ledi jaw’s features “primitive” and others “advanced” because they assume that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors along this timeline.

Yes — it’s nothing but raving by the evolutionary community “based on the unverifiable dates” and “millions-of-years claims” that are “totally dependent on assumptions and worldview-based interpretations of radiometric dating methods.” Those evolutionists are fools! Hambo then explains why such claims are totally wrong:

You see, your worldview determines how you interpret the evidence. These scientists have a secular worldview, and they start with the assumption that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors so that’s what they see. And they desperately need a transitional form to fill the “gap” between apes like Lucy and the varieties of humans whose fossils appear deepest in the fossil record. Therefore, they interpret this fossil as the missing link they need.

It’s all about the assumptions of scientists and their secular worldview. They “desperately” need a missing link. Here’s more:

But what does the Bible tell us? God made all kinds of land animals as well as Adam and Eve on Day Six of Creation week about 6,000 years ago. …. God made the first man, Adam, in His own image on that same day, from “the dust of the ground” (Genesis 2:7) — not through evolutionary processes and ape-like ancestors. … No matter what evolutionary scientists claim about fossils like this, the truth is it is that while a fossil could be human or could be an ape, it could never be a transitional form.

Right — no fossil could be a transitional form because … well, because according to the bible, there aren’t any transitional forms. Problem solved! Hambo ends with this:

I encourage you to check back next week to learn more about what the Ledi jaw is, but if you believe God’s Word you already know what it isn’t!

Wow — the creation scientists at AIG are going to devote an entire week of their valuable time to explaining what this new-found jawbone really is. We can hardly wait!

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23 responses to “Ken Ham Debunks the Latest Fossil Discovery

  1. Oh yes, the radio-dating method is a hoax made up by secular, baby-eating, Darwinists who are all in cahoots with each other argument. Never fails.

  2. And lo! It came to pass, just as the Prophet Megalonyx sagely foretold (in a comment on the Curmudgeon’s post of 4 March 2015: Kent Hovind Trial: First Two Days

    Off topic for this thread (apologies), but something that might well get some reaction from the Creationist camp: ‘First human’ discovered in Ethiopia

    And no, they don’t mean Adam…

  3. Meanwhile, science proceeds apace, regardless of all the Ham-headed jawing.

    It’ll be interesting to see if more fossil material is found, and how this specimen is eventually classified.

    In a related vein, I have it on very good authority that a rich and younger find in South Africa (±1,700 separate fossils, mostly of hominid origin) by amateur speleologists is currently being catalogued.

  4. Megalonyx humbly says: “And lo! It came to pass, just as the Prophet Megalonyx sagely foretold …”

    Speaking of missing links, wait ’til Hambo discovers your existence!

  5. Richard Bond

    All Ham ever does is assert that radiometric dating is completely wrong. That is not worth considering unless and until Ham’s sycophants come up with a testable model to explain the isotope ratios that we actually see.

  6. Well, there are no transitional forms unless they want there to be transitional forms.

    See, all those things that look transitional, those are actually the hyper-evolving versions of the “baramins,” the basic kinds that were taken on board the Ark. They all hyper-evolved in a matter of generations, giving us lions and tigers and leopards and all sorts of transitional forms that are distributed throughout the layers deposited by the Flood because shut up, that’s why.

  7. They are calling some of the Ledi jaw’s features “primitive” and others “advanced” because they assume that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors along this timeline.

    To begin with, we are all apes. Ham is an ape himself. He should be mindful of that when he speaks disparagingly of apes.

    One wonders how Ham will sort this all out. Evidently some of the teeth of this jaw look more like the teeth of later hominids, and some look more like the teeth of earlier hominids. That’s not a matter of worldview, that’s simply evidence. They just look that way.

    Ham often says that creationists and scientists use the same evidence, but interpret it differently. So, the creationists at AiG will need to interpret the apparent transitional nature of this jaw as either fully “ape” or fully human. Which will it be? In their worldview, they have to put it in one group or the other, but it has characteristics of both. I’m betting they will claim it as an “ape” rather than a variety of human.

  8. Ed says: “One wonders how Ham will sort this all out. Evidently some of the teeth of this jaw look more like the teeth of later hominids, and some look more like the teeth of earlier hominids.”

    That sort of thing happened when everyone was scattered from the Tower of Babel.

  9. I’ve searched the AiG website, and they do not have a list of what they consider humans vs. what they consider apes. My guess is that if scientists classify something in the genus “Homo” that they will consider it fully human, and everything else is fully “ape”. It seems like they just let the scientists make the call, then criticize the scientists for placing whatever it is into an evolutionary sequence.

    Wiki has a pretty good list of what is considered “Homo”. My guess is that AiG calls all of them just varieties of humans, and since Noah’s family was the only group of humans on the ark, those other varieties are now extinct.

  10. SC. Aha – different teeth make one talk differently. Who knew?

  11. Our Curmudgeon notes:

    Speaking of missing links, wait ’til Hambo discovers your existence!

    It is not merely Creationists, but indeed all mankind that marvels at the arrival of the next stage in human evolution.

    It’s no wonder Olivia is so desperate to have my babies…

  12. We have been discussing Ken Ham (and Tas Walker) here: http://forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3638

    Personally I’m still awaiting an AiG debunking of this as being transitional (but there’s more to come once they have firmed up on whether this Homo jaw was ‘fully human’ or whether they might decide they would rather label it an ‘extinct ape’ – they don’t believe in ‘extinct humans’).

  13. “My guess is that AiG calls all of them just varieties of humans…”. Unlike old Earth creationists or theistic evolutionists, I think AiG and other YECs generally insist there has only ever been one species of human (ie all other past Homo species such as Neanderthals or Homo habilis are routinely labelled by them as having been members of ‘our’ species).

  14. This post should be titled “Ken Ham Attempts to Debunk the Latest Fossil Discovery”.

    He has to protect his multi-million dollar investment in his Creation Museum, so all of his blithering is to be expected. No doubt, he will continue to fool some of the people all of the time. They are the ones who have been conditioned to never question anyone who claims to be religious.

    Ham claims the Bible tells us “God made all kinds of land animals as well as Adam and Eve on Day Six of Creation week about 6,000 years ago.” Mr. Ham, you should know better. The Bible says absolutely nothing about when your “Creation” took place. Your “6,000 years” comes from an estimate made by the Bishop of Ussher centuries ago by counting the named generations in the Bible. You might claim that the good bishop “was inspired by God” — but if that is so, why didn’t God just tell him the actual date of Creation?

    About the reliability of radiometric dating — I believe it was Gabriel Hanna, PhD (Physics) who made the point on this blog a few years ago that if the decay rates of radioisotopes were variable over time, nuclear reactors wouldn’t work. So the question to Ken Ham should be, “Do you think nuclear power is real, or is it just a hoax cooked up by “evolutionists”?”

  15. It’s worth mentioning, too, that this is the guy whose museum took a proto-bird with decidedly reptillian features and then either removed them or completely hid them, making an archaeopteryx look impossibly like a pigeon.

  16. Megalonyx: “It’s no wonder Olivia is so desperate to have my babies…”

    Since Olivia is definitely a “Darwinist”, we assume you mean “For lunch”, no? (See Jason’s comment, no. 1 above.)

    “Would you like fries with that?”

  17. aturingtest

    These scientists have a secular worldview, and they start with the assumption that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors so that’s what they see.

    This is exactly and completely backwards; “humans evolved” is not an assumption that makes the evidence necessary, it’s a conclusion that is made necessary by the evidence.

    But as long as Ham can continue to feed this Bizarro-world version of science to his hungry and needy sheep, the longer he can keep them in a flock and continue shearing them for all the tithes they’re worth.

  18. I feel compelled to note that the famous “Lucy” skeleton was found by Donald C. Johanson, an atheist! Can we trust the authenticity of a fossil discovered by (horrors!!) an atheist???

    There’s an interview with Johanson in the latest issue of “Freethought Today.” In the interview, Johanson describes his path to atheism. He says that when he was about 12 years old some Scandinavian friends invited him to go to church with them. He said,
    “So I got up unusually early, disturbing my mother, who said, ‘Ver are you going?’ I said, ‘I’m going to church.’ She said, ‘Vat are you doing that for?’
    Anyway, I went to church and came home, and then she said, ‘Deed they ask you fer money?”
    I said, ‘Yeah, they did.’

    And she said, this little uneducated housekeeper from Sweden who immigrated when she was 16, deciding the New World was where everything was happening, ‘The first thing they’ll do is control you, then they will instill fear in you, and then they will take your money.’ ”

    If only there were more mothers like her….

  19. according to the bible, there aren’t any transitional forms.
    (KH doesn’t explicitly say that, but I think that it is fair to discuss that.)

    No. The Bible does not say anything like that. It does not explicitly say that there were transitional forms, but the Bible is silent about lots of things. It does not mention the majority of life: the microbes. It does not mention any species of fish.

  20. Stephen Kennedy

    Hambo can always claim that with the discovery of this fossil there are two gaps rather than the previous one gap in the fossil record that evolutionists will have to explain.

  21. It is amazing that someone so oblivious can say something that is so perceptively self aware. Hambo said: “You see, your worldview determines how you interpret the evidence.” Which is true enough, but he is so oblivious he can’t see beyond his own worldview and how this leads him to treat the evidence.

    In his worldview he has to desperately prove that god exists, so he is willing to fold, spindle and mutilate the data to fit his pre-existing (hoped for, but not really believed) conclusion. Because he can’t get outside his worldview, he assumes that science is the flip side of religion in that they (like him) are desperately trying to prove god does NOT exist and will fold, spindle and mutilate the data to fit their pre-existing conclusion.

    Ironically, Ham is absolutely right while be exactly wrong. Your worldview does determine what you do with the data. And science is exactly the opposite of religion, but not in the way he thinks. In science it is the data that is sacrosanct. Theories (conclusions) get thrown out or modified all the time, but you are not allowed to modify or throw out data. Exactly the opposite of religion. There the conclusion stays and data is modified or thrown out to keep the conclusion intact.

    It is Ham who concludes a priori that there can be no “missing link” and rejects everything that might resemble one, because of his worldview.

    I still think the most amazing thing about Ham’s worldview is how small it makes god. The almighty creator of the universe dictates one book to a bunch of iron age herdsmen, and that’s it? Everything he has to say? Everything he knows? No wonder god needs so many apologists, apparently (according to Ham) he just ain’t that bright, didn’t make himself clear and needs someone to try and straighten out his mess.

  22. Paine in the Butt:
    “Your worldview does determine what you do with the data. And science is exactly the opposite of religion, but not in the way he [Ham] thinks. In science it is the data that is sacrosanct. Theories (conclusions) get thrown out or modified all the time, but you are not allowed to modify or throw out data. Exactly the opposite of religion. There the conclusion stays and data is modified or thrown out to keep the conclusion intact.”

    Perfect! Someone should nail this to the Creation Museum’s door.

  23. My latest comments HERE (after AiG again reluctantly considered the latest jawbone discovery on their website) may be of interest:
    http://www.evoanth.net/2015/03/10/humans-evolved-earlier-than-we-thought-but-what-does-that-mean/
    Scientists expect to uncover such fossils. Those who think Genesis is ‘infallible history’ are surprised by their existence and generally do not know what to make of them (only ‘knowing’ that they cannot be transitional and that IF they are human they MUST be OUR species).