Scott Walker Is a Creationist

Remember last month when we posted Is Scott Walker a Creationist? Sure you do. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is a Republican presidential contender who, while in England on a trade mission, dodged a reporter’s question on evolution, saying:

“I’m going to punt on that one as well,” Walker replied. “That’s a question a politician shouldn’t be involved in one way or the other.”

At the time we said:

That may be the smart way to play it, in terms of party primary politics, but still, we need to know how he thinks. Is he pro-science, or is he a science-denier? More broadly, does he decide issues based on evidence, or in some non-rational way? It’s fine if a candidate has strong principles, but they have to be based in reality, not ideology.

Well, now we have the answer. We don’t know how we missed it, but Walker was interviewed a month ago by — *sigh* — Megyn Kelly. The video is only about 30 seconds long. Walker clearly declares that he’s anti-science, and is therefore a flaming creationist.

As most of you know, your humble Curmudgeon is a Republican, albeit one of the dwindling number of those who were once a majority of the party back in the Goldwater days — before the so-called social conservatives became prominent. That makes us a rarity among science bloggers. What will your Curmudgeon do if a creationist like Walker is the GOP nominee?.

We explained our position a couple of election cycles ago in Creationism or Socialism: Which is Dumber? It’s one of our favorite posts, but it upset most of you, and it probably still does. That’s how it goes. It’s not easy being a Curmudgeon.

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45 responses to “Scott Walker Is a Creationist

  1. Republican panders to the religious crazies. News at eleven.

  2. Our Curmudgeon drools like Homer Simpson over doughnuts:

    — *sigh* — Megyn Kelly

    And yet he can’t understand why Olivia has him blocked on her phone…

  3. Christine Janis

    Hey, at least he’s being honest and saying that he thinks that “science and faith are incompatible”. Unlike most creationists who claim that “real science” supports creationism.

  4. Derek Freyberg

    Christine:
    I think he said that science and faith aren’t incompatible – it’s just that he swallows the end of his words a bit.

  5. Derek, I heard it the same way as you. . .but that’s just as absurd a statement as the way Christene heard it. Ether way, Walker shows us what a moron he is.

  6. I used to think that the Republican party had gone insane. But I now realize that was far too optimistic.

  7. No republican will be get the nomination if he says anything else. I suspect the same applies to global warming – if a candidate agrees with the science that it is primarily a result of human activity, that will end their presidential ambitions. Whatever their personal beliefs might be, they will publicly toe the party line in their campaigns.

    The last time, the GOP nominated their second-most rational candidate and he was unsuccessful. (Jon Huntsman was the most rational, IMHO) I fear that the “lesson” they learn will be that their candidate was not conservative enough, and mover further to the right this time.

    Also, there should be a law against multiple presidential candidates from the same family in the same generation – either spouses or siblings.

  8. Walker is cunning and narcissistic but not very well educated. However, he knows who’s going to vote for him in the primaries so it’s Pander Time for Walker! We could start calling him Wisconsin Bibi.

  9. Vulcanthunder

    I was always a moderate Republican but the party has now moved so far right I’m considered liberal. I don’t go to party meetings anymore because I’m called a RHINO. I was even for the tea party when it first started because I thought it was all about having a balanced budget until it was taken over by a hedgepoge of assorted religious, social and gun nuts and anarchists.

  10. “Creationism or Socialism”
    is also a false dilemma. If Obama is a socialist then the Pope is a protestant.

    Then we are not even talking about lists like this one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

    Nr. 1 in costs. It seems to me that health care in the USA is not very intelligently designed indeed. And that’s what you prefer, isn’t it? To pay more for worse health care.
    Sorry SC, I’m not upset. I think it highly amusing – something I can afford because I have zero ties with not anymore greatest country in the world.

  11. @Vulcanthunder: I feel pretty much the same as you. Goldwater warned us about what would happen if the religious social conservatives took over the party. He nailed it.

  12. In the interview, Walker clearly says “I think God created the Earth. I think science and my faith aren’t incompatible, and I think those are pretty strong statements out there.” (I listened repeatedly with a good set of headphones. It’s really quite clear. Heck, you could even hear that his voice was in italics.)

    From that, we can’t say he doesn’t accept evolution. In fact, we can’t even say he’s a creationist — he doesn’t define “god”. Perhaps “god” to him is just whatever it is that got the universe started. Big Bang, Laws of Physics, whatever.

    When I was teaching, many a seventh-grader asked if I believed in God. Not wishing to get into a religious discussion in the public school science classroom, I simply answered “Yes”, but then did not go on to define what the word “god” means to me. Frankly, I was more interested in having the students accept the science being presented than in having them know exactly what my religious views (or non-religious views) were.

    Now, if it was a college course, or an adult education course, and we had the time to stray from the curriculum, I may have been more open.

    Walker knows he needs to skirt around the question. Thus, no direct answer concerning evolution. No direct answer about the age of the earth, inerrancy of scripture, Adam & Eve, six-day creation, etc., etc. If asked again, he will keep repeating, “I think God created the Earth. I think science and my faith aren’t incompatible.” Or perhaps he has some other vague answers planned for future, more specific questions. Just don’t hold your breath waiting for a definitive answer.

  13. retiredsciguy says:

    Walker clearly says “I think God created the Earth. I think science and my faith aren’t incompatible, and I think those are pretty strong statements out there.”

    I listened a few times. He spoke rapidly. I heard him say they were incompatible.

  14. I think saying science and faith are compatible is a cop out. It’s a nice way of saying “your silly facts prop up my fantasy world view.” And considering how nearly entire constituency believes in the spaghetti monster, this isn’t surprising.

  15. I’m not surprised that Walker’s a creationist, or at least says he is (he may simply be pandering to what he perceives as a crucial element of the GOP coalition).

    I’m more surprised that the Curmudgeon is still a Republican after thirty-five years of seeing the former party of Lincoln, Dewey and Eisenhower led around on a leash by the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat (“I diverted Hurricane Gloria through prayer”) Robertson. One can only hold one’s nose while voting a limited number of times. But let me hasten to add that I don’t intend to start a political brawl here, so I apologize in advance for any offense.

  16. Eric Lipps says: “I’m more surprised that the Curmudgeon is still a Republican”

    I’ll switch and register “independent” if the GOP nominates a flaming idiot whose biggest issues are porn, gays, Noah’s Ark, and abortion. That hasn’t happened yet.

  17. Charles Deetz ;)

    Fox giving him a second chance to say the “correct answer” to the question he missed the first time. The drooling base will accept theirs and move on.

  18. Just register independent anyway, SC. You can still vote for whomever you want, and vote in either primary – which is handy if one party has a particularly crazy candidate you want to vote against.

  19. Ed says: “Just register independent anyway, SC. You can still vote for whomever you want, and vote in either primary”

    Not in my state. We don’t have open primaries. I still try to choose the sanest Republican of those who are available.

  20. Curmy, I listened again, with and without headphones. It’s clearer with the headphones — there’s a definite hard stop after “aren’t”.

    Moreover, I can’t imagine why he would ever say “science and my faith are incompatible.” That would serve no political purpose whatsoever.

    At any rate, I hope the Dems can find someone more suitable than the woman alternatively referred to by William Safire as either a “congenital liar” or “congenial lawyer.”

  21. @SC: I heard the same thing as Pope RSG. He said they “aren’t incompatible”. I still think he’s dodging the question, but that’s what he said, IMHO.

  22. Gary says: “I heard the same thing as Pope RSG.”

    Maybe I got it wrong. Regardless of what he actually said — or thinks — it’s still a squishy answer.

  23. @SC: “it’s still a squishy answer.”
    Agreed.

  24. So I listened to it again – very carefully, this time – and he definitely didn’t say that life on Earth has been evolving for hundreds of millions or billions of years.

    It’s one thing to give a squishy answer to an off topic question that you aren’t prepared for, but to give a non-answer to a question the interviewer probably warned you about is another thing entirely.

  25. docbill1351

    Ha, Curmie choses the “sanest Republican.” I bet he eats “jumbo shrimp,” too!

  26. Of course it’s a squishy answer — he’s going to be running in the Republican primaries, for Pete’s sake!

    Ed said it best — “No republican will be get the nomination if he says anything else.”

  27. Gee, I am so surprised! NOT! Scotty is small-minded, vengeful, a liar, corrupt, and not a nice man. He is really as dumb as he looks. He is a radically right-wing corporate stooge. Take this from someone who has had the misfortune to live under his administration as governor (and, before that, as Milwaukee County Executive). What do you expect!

  28. SC you must remain a Republican. Simply put if all the sane Republicans leave what will be left?
    I don’t really see Scott Walker getting the nomination, though his appeal is obvious (though misguided.) The assumption is that if he can win in a Democratic state he’d have some bipartisan appeal, as well as a foothold in the industrial Midwest that has been going Democratic. This probably isn’t the case as you have people like me that split their tickets. The Republicans would probably take Wisconsin though.
    I have to say I’m not thrilled about 8 years of President Hillary.

  29. Dave Luckett

    I must admit, looking at his photograph at the head, I find myself wondering…

    Has anyone seen this bloke and Alfred E Neuman in the same room at the same time?

  30. I have no doubt that a committed and genuine socialist could do more damage than someone whose only weakness is a religious devotion to Biblical inerrancy. But a belief in creationism seldom appears as a stand-alone weakness. If you believe in creationism because you believe that every word of scripture is literally true, you are also going to believe in executing gays and disobedient children. You may support the creation of a theocracy in which the banning of real science is the least of our worries. I see both socialism and creationism as entire worldviews in which respect for individual freedom and for opposing points of view is entirely dispensable. The extremes of both elements see the destruction of a free society as a small price to pay for victory and vindication.

  31. Meanwhile, back in rick scott’s florida:
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/gov-ricks-scott-anti-science-purge-begins-state-employee-banned-for-uttering-climate-change/

    this employee has to have a psychiatric review and letter stating he’s fit (i.e., won’t utter “climate change” again) to regain his job.

  32. Holding the Line in Florida

    @ David K, I don’t expect anything different from the People’s Republic Of Florida. The only thing we say is Thank God For Mississippi!

  33. Troy advises

    SC you must remain a Republican. Simply put if all the sane Republicans leave what will be left?

    I agree, though of course our Curmudgeon must make his own determination.

    The party of Lincoln has a long and illustrious tradition of rationality and good sense; it is lamentable that in recent years the vocal kooks have so besmirched it.

    Of course, all political parties are about winning power far more than about promoting any particular ideology; I could not name a single one that one could join without feeling compromised and sullied to some degree.

  34. If there were any Eisenhower Republicans left or a liberal wing to the Republican Party I would probably be one. Sadly, there is no one left to represent true conservatism.

  35. OT for this blog, but here’s another story from DavidK’s link re: Fla. Gov. Rick Scott’s ban on “climate change”. Absolutely hilarious!
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/awkward-watch-as-florida-lawmaker-mocks-rick-scott-official-for-refusing-to-say-climate-change/

    Holding the Line in Florida, my heart goes out to you. Since you are a public school teacher (i.e., state employee), I wonder how long it will be before Scott extends his ban to you, as well. Pleasant thought, eh?

  36. Laurette characterized Scott Walker very well. My favorite Republican Wisconsin governor, Lee Dreyfus, followed the motto, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    Walker has set about fixing everything in Wisconsin government that wasn’t broke. If it was broke, he smashed and scattered the pieces. Of most concern to this blog, he disrupted public education by expanding the use of vouchers, busting unions, and cutting budgets in the university system while trying to change its mission from searching for truth to training a workforce.

    Besides, Dreyfus was a colorful and likable character. Walker is a creep with a pathological need for control.

  37. I just noticed a most remarkable similarity between these two pictured people, neither has a brain, which understandably leads to their total lack of rationality and reasoning.

  38. michaelfugate

    Ted Cruz just announced he is running for president in a speech at Liberty University – is it any wonder what he thinks about science?

  39. You can check YouTube, Ted Cruz’s daddy Raphael Cruz gives an anti-evolution rant. While I wouldn’t normally judge someone based on what their daddy thinks, in this case the nut falls close to the tree.

  40. Curmie….I share your pain…and your position. I listened to Cruz preach from the stage of Fallwell U for 40 minutes today and swallowed half a bottle of tums. Of the likely entrants only Rubio seems plausible now and he ain’t exactly Richqrd Dawkins…. but better than the commies!

  41. Fundie explains science and his religious views are not compatible on Fox Entertainment. Really, how is his logic that much different from ISIS and all of the other fundamentalist children that are occupying time and space on this planet? Nothing for adults to see here other than more Republican pandering to their ignorant base!

  42. @michaelfugate: Ted Cruz was born in Canada. It will be interesting to hear what the birthers will have to say now.

  43. @Erik John Bertel
    Today’s Non Sequitur cartoon
    http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2015/03/25

  44. RSG, probably not much…as Ted Cruz himself is a birther. (Canada isn’t a “real” country I guess?)

  45. Jill Smith wrote:

    If you believe in creationism because you believe that every word of scripture is literally true, you are also going to believe in executing gays and disobedient children.

    Not really. Even allowing for some ambiguity as to the meaning of “to believe in”, there is much amiss with this very common misunderstanding of Young Earth Creationists. So ubiquitous is the mischaracterization of YEC beliefs on such topics that I’ve used this comment as a good excuse for explaining some basic RS101 Intro to Old Testament course material you’d find at most every university Dept of Religious Studies”
    NEWSFLASH: Are you sure you know anybody who is a citizen of Ancient Israel?