Rev. David Rives — Not a Flat-Earther

The Drool-o-tron™ kicked in suddenly with its sirens and flashing lights. The blinking letters of its wall display said WorldNetDaily (WND). Our computer was locked onto WND’s presentation of the latest video by the brilliant and articulate leader of David Rives Ministries.

Because we’ve been recently slimed by some re-postings of the rev’s older videos, we were skeptical, but that vanished when we saw WND’s headline: Was ‘flat earth’ theory grounded in history? We’ve never seen the rev talk about that before. Creationists usually avoid the subject because the bible is so spectacularly wrong about the shape of the Earth.

But your Curmudgeon has mentioned it. In The Earth Is Flat!, we gave you all the scriptural references to a flat Earth — in the Old Testament and also in the New. So we were curious to see what the rev had to say.

The rev has his own title for the video, which is Testament to the Spherical Earth, Detriment to the Flat Earth. He doesn’t tell us anything new. He points out that Columbus didn’t set out to prove that the Earth isn’t flat. We know that. He tells his drooling fans that Aristotle demonstrated that the Earth is a sphere. We know that too. But what about the bible? Isn’t it the world’s greatest authority on science?

He mentions only the Isaiah passage (Isaiah 40:22) that we discussed in our post, where there’s a reference to “the circle of the Earth” — but as we pointed out, that’s properly translated as “disk.” The rev doesn’t even quote it, although it’s all he’s got. Instead he recites the line before it, which doesn’t help him at all: “Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?”

Otherwise, the rev wisely avoids all other scripture discussions of the Earth’s shape. Smart boy! He knows the bible is a flat Earth book from beginning to end.

We don’t understand the purpose of his video, unless it’s to clarify that he’s not a flat-Earther. Few creationists are, which says a lot about their lack of consistency in relying on scripture. Six-day creation? Oh yeah! Flat Earth? [*Silence*]

The rev is wearing his bible-boy suit — with a necktie — and he’s still the cutest rev you’ve ever seen! The video is his usual 90-second presentation — before the commercial. Go ahead, click over to WND and watch it.

As we always do with the rev’s videos, we dedicate the comments section for your use as an Intellectual Free Fire Zone. You know the rules. Okay, the comments are open. Go for it!

Addendum: Can you believe it — we’ve been slimed yet again! WND posted the exact same video a year ago — Rev. David Rives and the Flat Earth. This is ridiculous! We’re done with the rev.

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16 responses to “Rev. David Rives — Not a Flat-Earther

  1. I seem to recognize this video, but I have a notoriously unreliable memory. Still I think I have seen this video before – via this very blog.

    Update: my new fundie friend has returned – and gave a link to the well known Henry Morris and his version of the crocoduck.

  2. mnb0 says: “I seem to recognize this video …”

    You’re right. I just added an addendum to the post when I discovered that I did this one before, a year ago. Very embarrassing.

  3. Just goes to show you just how little evidence creationism has, they literally repeat themselves.

  4. Doctor Stochastic

    “The world may be round, but everything on it is flat,” –
    Gaston Lachaille

  5. And in the New Testament era, well after the circumference of the spherical Earth was measured to within a hundred miles of error, the text has Satan taking Jesus up on a high mountain where they could see all the kingdoms of the Earth. Which implies a flat Earth. I guess the word didn’t get down to the fishermen and whatnot.

  6. “Aristotle demonstrated that the Earth is a sphere.”
    Really? How? I reread Aristotle experiment and he never proved it a sphere but proved it was curves over a known distance. This could easily be a section of a sphere. Wasn’t it Magellan’s voyages that proved it??

  7. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth by measuring the angle of the sun at two points, separated in a north/south direction, in classical Greek times

  8. @L.Long
    I suppose that one could do the macro-micro mambo on the shape of the Earth. And the measurement of Erastothenes of the curvature of the Earth from Alexandria to Aswan only shows the “micro”. As well as the curvature of the surface of the seas, and the different altitude of stars when one travels from north to south. This would also apply to the circumnavigation by Magellan’s voyage. More to the “macro” would be the shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse – and that was mentioned, as I recall, by Aristotle. But even that shows only that there are curves of some parts of the Earth.
    But the fact of history is that the macro-micro mambo was dismissed as a serious argument from antiquity. No one had seen the macro – the entirety of the sphere – until the mid-20th century. But no one who deserves being taken seriously denied the globe since antiquity.

  9. Doctor Stochastic

    The shadow the earth casts upon the moon during an eclipse is strong evidence for a sphere. The sun-earth-moon triangle need not be the same thus showing the circular shadow from different angles. A sphere is the only solid that casts a circular shadow regardless of orientations.

    Likewise the disappearance of sails (or camels) over the horizon takes place in all directions. Thus Greece was known to be on a segment of a sphere. Aristotle was unaware of the unending chain of turtles holding things up at the antipodes.

  10. @Linuxgal
    One can always point to the several places in the Bible where there is a reference to “all the Earth” which is clearly meant as hyperbole – such as the people from all the lands speaking all languages during Pentecost; the gifts from all the kingdoms to Solomon; the famine over all the lands bringing people to the storehouses that Joseph set up in Egypt.

  11. Doctor Stochastic

    The Flood that covered all the earth.

  12. “We’re done with the rev.”
    Sigh. After my disappointment is gone I’ll have to find myself another favourite. And I liked him so much.

  13. “Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth.”

    I always thought foundations referred to the turtles, or was it elephants?

  14. Dave Luckett

    The test, of course, is whether the words of the Bible would equally well describe a flat earth or a spheroid. Ask yourself: If some insane event were to happen today, and we suddenly discovered that we’d been wrong all along, and the earth was a disk… would the Rev be on the tube tomorrow to tell us that the Bible had been right all along?

  15. David K, in most Semitic traditions, it was between two to four pillars. Kind of boring, I know.

  16. Here’s a gem from the house of Hambo:
    https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/eyes/the-human-retina-shows-evidence-of-good-design/
    One problem amongst many, for evolutionists, is to explain how this abrupt major retinal transformation from the verted type in invertebrates to the inverted vertebrate model came about as nothing in paleontology offers any support. (Hamilton 1985, p. 63)
    Hmmm how about the fact that invertebrate and vertebrate eyes are the result of parallel evolution and aren’t homologous?