Creationist Wisdom #559: Another Hovind Fan

Today’s second letter-to-the-editor appears in the Pensacola News Journal of Pensacola, Florida — home of the creationist ministry of Kent Hovind (a/k/a “Dr. Dino”), and also the site of his recent trial. It’s titled Free Kent Hovind. An icon below the headline will take you to the newspaper’s comments feature.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote her by using her full name. We’ll use only her first name, which is Louise. Excerpts from her letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

Is the city of Pensacola run by complete morons? What is going on in your courts up there?

Louise apparently doesn’t know the difference between a municipal court and a federal court. Hovind was tried in the latter. If you’re new to this, see Kent Hovind Trial: He’s Guilty! Louise continues:

Did you know the average time for a murderer to be in jail is 229 months? Robbery runs about 83 months, rape 96.

We didn’t know that. Nor have we bothered to check those figures, because we don’t see that they’re relevant. Let’s read on:

But for withdrawing large amounts from his bank account instead of small ones, Dr. Kent Hovind has spent 98 months in jail. There’s no tax evasion about the case at all.

Aaaargh!! Hovind’s writeup in Wikipedia describes his 2006 conviction for tax evasion. That tells us:

On July 11, 2006, Hovind was indicted on 58 counts in the District Court in Northern Florida in Pensacola. Twelve counts were willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over federal income taxes and FICA taxes, totaling $473,818. Forty-five counts were knowingly structuring transactions by making multiple cash withdrawals totaling $430,500 in amounts just under the $10,000 which requires reporting … for which his wife was also charged. The last count was corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws by falsely listing the IRS as his only creditor when filing for bankruptcy, filing a false and frivolous lawsuit against the IRS in which he demanded damages for criminal trespass, making threats of harm to those investigating him and to those who might consider cooperating with the investigation, filing a false complaint against IRS agents investigating him, filing a false criminal complaint against IRS special agents (criminal investigators), and destroying records.

[…]

On October 21, 2006, the trial began in which he hoped to convince a jury that his amusement park admission and merchandise sales belonged to God and cannot be taxed. … After closing arguments were presented on November 2, the jury deliberated three hours before finding the Hovinds guilty on all counts, 58 for Hovind and 44 for his wife.

Besides, that has nothing to do with Hovind’s latest legal troubles, which are due to his activities after his earlier conviction. Here’s more from Louise:

And now since the judge didn’t get a straight-up guilty verdict, she’s going to have him retried and it doesn’t take a genius to realize she’ll try and push the case toward her desired verdict.

He was found guilty on one count, but it was a hung jury on the others. And the new trial wasn’t the judge’s decision. It was up to the prosecutors. All the judge did was set a trial date — that’s 18 May. See Kent Hovind Will Be Tried Again. Louise concludes her letter with this:

Why? I don’t know. But she makes you guys look like a joke. However, I enjoy a good joke. See you in May.

What does that mean? Will Louise be in Pensacola for the new trial? Perhaps she hopes to see a flaming finger from above reach down and smite the wicked judge. Be careful, Louise — that flaming finger might be aimed at Hovind — or maybe you.

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20 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #559: Another Hovind Fan

  1. Hmmm, I think Louise has it backwards. Kent was frequently withdrawing small amounts to avoid reporting it for tax purposes. If he withdrew larger amounts and paid his taxes, maybe he wouldn’t be in jail.

  2. Hovind was apparently too busy thumping his Bible to actually read it, he missed the part about “Render unto Ceasar.”

    Evidently the letter writer missed that part too.

  3. The whole truth

    Seems to me that it would be a good idea for the IRS to look into the income, banking activities, and taxes owed by hovind’s fans.

  4. The whole truth:
    “Seems to me that it would be a good idea for the IRS to look into the income, banking activities, and taxes owed by hovind’s fans.”

    Oh, shades of Nixon! No, don’t want the IRS going there, no matter who they target.

  5. Stephen Kennedy

    Of all professional creationists I think I despise Hovind the most. Hambo has the same wacky views on science and Hambo certainly comes across as a buffoon but I think, as an immigrant, he realizes there are certain lines he can not cross.

    Hovind on the other hand associates and conspires with people that are not only criminals but also exhibit behavior that borders on treason with all of the renunciation of citizenship and sovereign citizen who is not under the authority of the U.S. Government business.

  6. Of all professional creationists I think I despise Hovind the most.

    I can certainly understand that view. I must admit that as much as he irritates me, I know enough about him to consider his behavior derived from an extreme NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder.) I’m completely serious and that is, obviously, an actual diagnostic code in DSM-IV (and V if I recall the latest version???) Of course, mental illness doesn’t necessarily absolve Hovind of ethical responsibility and I’m not suggesting that it does. But his case has caused me to ask myself, “Where should the line be drawn? At what point is a person so extremely self-deluded as to one having to chalk it all up to a brain deeply disturbed by serious disability/disease/disorder?”

    I don’t claim to have an answer to that. I’m just considering how extreme and self-destructive the guy can be. After all, Hovind actually had the stupidity to make threats against the judge and others the night before his sentencing on a jailhouse phone—all calls of which are routinely recorded. Who does that?

    Of course, people that crazy are best kept in facilities where they are less danger to themselves and others. Plus, there is evidence that his son, Eric Hovind, has actually drawn some boundaries and dad is very disappointed that Junior now drinks HIS OWN Kool-aid—-and dutifully pays all taxes due. So it appears that Eric does not share all of his father’s self-destructive behaviors. Eric will probably survive and flourish in the YECdom mega-industry money machine for a long time because though he is just as intellectually dishonest and just as full of hubris concerning his superiority over the Academy, he is not sick enough to repeat his father’s defiant opposition of opponents that he can’t beat (e.g., IRS, federal judges, et al)

    It will be VERY interesting to see happens between father and son when Dad gets out of prison (eventually) and Junior and his Board of Directors refuse to let Dad destroy a lucrative operation.

    I predict that eventually the hard-core Hovind-ites will march off behind Dad in his own separate, super-YEC little cult while Junior keeps things “all business” (meaning enough religion to keep the money coming in but not enough hyper-cult nuttiness to give the Scientologists a fight for #1 in Wacko-land.) I have strong doubts that father and son will cooperate in running a single organization after junior has called his own shots for years. Considering Eric Hovind’s clownish antics, I can’t believe I’m saying this–but when placed alongside his father, Eric starts sounding remarkably rational and mentally stable.

  7. Myself, I find the actions most unpleasant when engaged in by those with the most access to science. Those who have legitimate degrees and have been in a position to consult with colleagues and have chosen not to avail themselves of the opportunities.
    Each unpleasant case is unpleasant in its own way.

  8. By the way, I try to always remember to misspell trademarked name-brands. So my bizarre spelling of the drink that wackos drink was not chosen to make any kind of a joke (as if it “aids” someone in being “Kool”) but because I try not to taint someone’s commercial product’s tradename with the activities of science-deniers.

  9. @Professor Tertius
    One might also be aware that the drink mix used was not Kool Aid (I will not name the brand used) – and that that seems to be the spelling of the brand that was not used.

  10. Glad to see Professor Tertius mention the NPD angle on Kent Hovind.

    I have been suggesting that as an issue in Kent’s case for quite a long time, but so far no one seems interested in helping Kent deal with any of his possible mental issues.

    If he were to be diagnosed with NPD, it would not, in my opinion, excuse his criminal behavior but would help explain it.

    And there is precedent for being concerned about such. One of his fellows in the tax cheatin’ business, Lawrence Cohen, right hand man to Erwin Schiff, had his conviction overturned on appeal where the lower court did not allow the jury to consider that he had been diagnosed with NPD.

  11. Robert Baty [edited out] calling Pastor Hovind mentally ill?….. lol

    Robert, your a joke. You are pathetic.

    You and your friends are the mentally ill, treasonous bunch of clowns.

    Robert Baty, [edited out].

  12. Robert Baty says: “Glad to see Professor Tertius mention the NPD angle on Kent Hovind.”

    I don’t know anything about Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and it’s unlikely that Hovind would consider any kind of insanity defense. I think his problem is simpler than that — he tends to fixate on ridiculously absurd ideologies, and no amount of evidence will ever convince him that he’s wrong. In his case it’s not only creationism, where I think it’s clear that he’s sincere, but also the tax protestor fantasy.

  13. As has been the case so often before, it appears an anonymous whiner from the Hovindicator camp has showed up to bear false witness against me.

    My proposition remains outstanding.

    That is, Kent and his people need to find a man amongst them, or even a woman, who will come out, come clean and allow me to face my accuser and consider the evidence, if any, against me.

    They seem to have latched on to the “cause stalking” tactic of trying to “identify, villify, and destroy” their opposition through anonymous ad hominem attacks.

    That won’t help Kent, who remains on the run from me and my challenge to him or his champion.

    As to Kent’s mental condition, real or alleged, his clearly has demonstrated symptoms of NPD as others have also noted. No evidence that anyone has moved to get him a mental evaluation; even his family appears content to let his possible mental issues go untreated, undiagnosed.

    I’d say Kent has NPD worse than Lawrence Cohen, but that’s just my opinion from observing him for some time now. And, I don’t propose it excuses his criminal behavior; just helps explain it.

  14. Relax, Robert Baty. I cleaned up that guy’s comment, and he’s now on moderation. Nothing of his will get through that doesn’t meet my approval.

  15. Curmudgeon,

    Thanks for the consideration.
    I do try to stay relaxed.

    Just a reminder, if it meets with your approval.

    What they are helping Kent evade is my outstanding challenge to him to discuss his structuring problem. Kent claims it’s fundamental to understanding his legal problems, but he and his people have been misrepresenting that issue for over 8 years.

    http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/retired-irs-kent-hovind-critic-seeks-to.html

    Robert Baty’s Structuring Proposal for Discussion

    Withdrawing less than $10,000 in a single transaction
    with the intent to evade bank reporting requirements
    is a violation of the law and regulations and was at
    the time of the Hovind withdrawals in question and
    was the legal standard used to convict Kent Hovind
    of “structuring”.

    – Robert Baty: Affirm
    – Kent Hovind: Deny

  16. And don’t forget, SC, to include the great number of conspiracy theories, great and small, that Kent Hovind is minded to believe. To give him some little credit he does admit that the Moon landings probably happened – as seen on TV.

  17. When I saw that Kent Hovind had said something like, “The advantage of being in prison is that I’ve had more time to earn Ph.D.s. I’ve added three more so far.”

    That kind of talk, coupled with “I’m right and all of the world’s science professors are wrong” is exactly what one sees in extreme cases of NPD.

    The most extreme NPDs can also exhibit megalomania. Consider.

  18. Stephen Kennedy

    @Professor, you make some interesting points and are correct about NPD actually being an illness. However, I am an MD, although now retired from medical practice, and Kent Hovind is not my patient and I have never examined him, so I am not able to give him a diagnosis.

  19. Dave Luckett

    This business about rendering to Caesar, etcetera, is an interesting one. I posted about it on the bathroom wall at Panda’s Thumb, that being a good place for it. Briefly, I think Jesus might have been saying, “No, you shouldn’t pay taxes to Rome,” but the Gospel writer provided, ahem, context to reverse the meaning, following Paul, who was all “Rebels? Us? Perish the thought!”

    So Hovind might actually be applying a principle from Jesus, if not from the Church. He’s a minister of the faith, so his lowly income and the proceeds of the holy land of Dino Park, Pensacola FL should not be rendered to the IRS. Or something.

  20. @ Dave Luckett

    Kent and his people do, in fact, have a view of “render unto Caesar” that is consistent with their tax cheatin’, sovcit, anti-government views.

    While one might try to engage them on that theological dispute (they have presented it here and there on the Internet), it doesn’t really matter when it comes to Kent’s criminal conduct. “God made me do it” just isn’t much of a defense.

    It might also be worth noting that such a defense has been offered by Hansen and Hovind regarding the contempt charge of which they were found guilty. They have tried to say they just had this compelling religious belief that they had to tell everyone, via lis pendens, that the title to the property was in dispute.

    That doesn’t seem to be working out too well for them.