2016 Creationist Presidential Candidates, Part 2

A couple of weeks ago we wrote Republican Presidential Candidates & Creationism. Now we have a follow-up. There will probably be many more before next year’s election.

In the Des Moines Register of Des Moines, Iowa we read Iowa church touting Creationism a big draw for some White House hopefuls. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

A little Iowa church that preaches the theory that the Bible’s book of Genesis could be a scientifically accurate account of the beginning of the world has become a magnet for religious conservative presidential candidates.

Don’t laugh, dear reader. This is useful information. Who has been going there? We’re told:

Republicans Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee have already visited the First Assembly of God Church in Indianola. Bobby Jindal is booked to be at the church Saturday.

No surprises there. Let’s read on:

Carson, a retired doctor who has previously said he believes in Creationism, drew about 100 people to the church on June 16. Whlie there, he said no political party trumps the sacrifices America has made to ensure freedom, including the First Amendment and the freedom of religion. “That means not freedom from religion, but it means freedom to believe as you wish,” Carson said. “And as long as your freedom doesn’t infringe upon anybody else’s freedom you can believe whatever you want.”

Yes, you can believe anything you want, but a President should have a keen appreciation of reality. Anyway, that’s Carson. We continue:

Huckabee, an ordained minister, drew a crowd of 60 at the the church in early June. Huckabee has ran into the question of evolution before, and was asked to clarify his belief in Creationism in a 2007 presidential debate hosted by CNN. “It’s interesting that that question would even be asked of somebody running for president,” Huckabee said. “I’m not planning on writing a curriculum of an eighth grade science book.” Huckabee during the debate said people either believe God created the heavens and the Earth or that it was all just an accident and the creation of the universe happened on its own. He added that the question boils down to whether he believes in God, which he does.

We all knew about Huckabee. Here’s more:

Jindal, the governor of Louisiana, is scheduled to visit the Faith Assembly of God Church Saturday, July 18, before heading to the religious conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames.

The newspaper doesn’t say much else, and we really didn’t learn anything new. But the Iowa caucuses are the first major electoral event of the nominating process for President of the United States, so it’s likely that all the candidates will be going to that state. We’ll be watching to see who else shows up at that church.

It’s not the yellow-brick road to Oz, but creationist candidates think that following the trail of drool will get them to the White House. Maybe it will. This election is shaping up to be an exercise in choosing the lesser of two evils.

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16 responses to “2016 Creationist Presidential Candidates, Part 2

  1. This election is shaping up to be an exercise in choosing the lesser of two evils.

    Aren’t they always?

  2. Huckabee does have a good point, being a good executive (and a good number of other things including some science and engineering fields) don’t require one to understand or even accept evolution.
    For me it is a good indication of a candidates religiosity, which usually is but one symptom of a distinct syndrome of social conservatism that don’t align with my value set.
    Huckabee seems obvious he’d rather not field the question. If he didn’t parade his religion with such fanfare along with his well polished halo and holier than thou demeanor I might give him a pass.

  3. Mark Germano

    @Troy: Didn’t Huckabee say gay marriage was equivalent to 9/11 or some such garbage? The persecution complex is strong in him.

  4. (GOP presidential candidate Ben) Carson, a retired doctor who has previously said he believes in Creationism, drew about 100 people to the church on June 16. While there, he said no political party trumps the sacrifices America has made to ensure freedom, including the First Amendment and the freedom of religion. “That means not freedom from religion, but it means freedom to believe as you wish,” Carson said. “And as long as your freedom doesn’t infringe upon anybody else’s freedom you can believe whatever you want.”

    He should have a word or two with some of his fellow believers, who also say the First Amendment protects freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Whatever Dr. Carson may prefer to say in public, fundamentalists like him believe, in essence, that you can pick any religion you want (as long as isn’t Islam, or Hinduism, or . . . ), but you’d better pick one, or else.

  5. Mark Germano

    The quote from Ben Carson that Eric Lipps gives us above is rich, isn’t it? How, exactly, does marriage equality infringe on somebody else’s rights?

  6. michaelfugate

    They do keep telling us that materialism, atheism, scientism, evolutionism, darwinism etc are religions…

  7. Jindal is coming in soon !? I hope the have the chicken vendaloo ready to go along with the mac and cheese. It could be a long long trip into outer space if Jindal gets to pontificate on his decidedly insincere views on anything that might win him a vote among those without an education or the ability to think for themselves.
    This ain’t New Delhi Bobby. Its the land of the free and the home of the brave and you will eventually get booted out as you so very richly deserve.

  8. I’m rooting for Trump or in his words, ““I will be the greatest jobs president that God has ever created.” Now that’s creationism in action!

  9. Troy:
    “Huckabee does have a good point, being a good executive (and a good number of other things including some science and engineering fields) don’t require one to understand or even accept evolution.”

    Being a good executive means listening to those who know more about a particular subject than you do yourself, and following their guidance rather than acting on your own uninformed opinion.

    A creationist like Huckabee would reject the guidance of scientists, no matter how sound and voluminous their evidence, if he thinks it contradicts his religious beliefs. Personally, I would not want that trait in a president.

  10. RSG, yes I agree with you that Huckabee would make a terrible president. Just as a thought experiment if evolution was the ONLY thing he didn’t believe because of his religion and he was completely rational and informed on all other topics, such a person could be a good president. As I mention in my comment evolution rejection is never an isolated issue, it always comes with a whole set of other absurdities. While Huckabee may object to giving his opinion on the topic because it is relevant, I disagree, it conveys a lot of information about the candidate.

  11. Diogenes' Lamp

    Huckabee recently stated after the SSM decision that any “attack on Christianity” or any attempt to “vilify” Christianity must be prosecuted as a hate crime. And right singers define “attack on Christianity” as any criticism of Christianity at all– indeed, many define *not aggressively supporting* Christianity (just not mentioning it, e.g. in history class). So he wants at least any criticism of his religion to be treated as a hate crime (conservatives are still angry that if they beat up or kill gays, some US states treat that as a hate crime, so he’s playing gotcha.) In more extreme right wing interpretations, this would mean *not promoting Christianity* (which is “attacking” Christianity, in their parlance) would be prosecuted as a “hate crime” under a Huckabee administration.

    That’s more fascist than Cruz or Jindal.

  12. michaelfugate

    Like many things religious, definitions are so vague one never knows what one is talking about – Christianity doesn’t require opposition to marriage equality or evolution or abortion or….
    For some it is love for others hate. If we buy into viewpoint discrimination then education is destroyed – which may be what they want.

  13. I can’t help but look at the last decade of nutters the GOP has fielded and wonder if there is simply a long term plan to make Jeb Bush look as appealing as possible to the conservative voter base. Fox entertainment blamed the conservative loss at the last election on the female voters. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to imagine that the GOP wants to provide a more appealing candidate for the female vote in 2016. He could be the Conductor the GOP needs to get their crazy train all the way to the white house.

  14. michaelfugate

    Here’s Ted Cruz’s father on evolution:

    “Now let me share something with you, because – you know, communism, socialism, whatever you want to call it – what’s happening in this country, it’s no different than what happened in Cuba. The procedure might be different, they may be a little slower, but it’s the same thing. It is about government control of your lives. And you’ve gotta realize how Marxism, how socialism works, and we need to understand the issues.
    “When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights — did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family. It has nothing to do with homosexuals. They could care less about homosexuals. They want to destroy the family.
    “You gotta understand, it’s just like evolution. You know, most Americans have their head in the sand about evolution. I met so many Christians who tell me: ‘Well, evolution is a scientific fact.’ Baloney! I am a scientist — there’s nothing scientific about evolution. But you know something, Karl Marx said it: ‘I can use the teachings of Darwin to promote communism.’ Why? Because communism — or call it socialism, if you think communism is too hard a word — necessitates for government to be your god. And for government to be your God, they need to destroy the concept of God. That’s why communism and evolution go hand in hand. Evolution is one of the strongest tools of Marxism. Because if they can convince you that you came from a monkey, it’s much easier to convince you that God does not exist.”

    No wonder Ted is so loony.

  15. @michaelfugate

    Another instance of disliking evolution because it means you came from a monkey.

  16. Pieret took the words right out my mouth.