Creation Science: The Springs of the Sea

This is peculiar. Two of the creationists we follow, Rev. David Rives — the cutest rev you’ve ever seen — and the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom — have both posted about the same thing.

Rev Rives’ piece is his usual 90-second video at the website of WorldNetDaily: Hydrothermal vents prove Scriptural insight.

The ICR piece is Scientists Describe Job’s ‘Springs of the Sea’, written by Brian Thomas. He’s usually described at the end of his articles as “Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.” This is ICR’s biographical information on him.

Because they’re both talking about the same thing, we’ll deal with the ICR article. It says, with bold font added by us:

In Job 38:16, God asked, “Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths?”

That’s the same passage Rives gushes about. ICR tells us:

Of course, Job never walked in search of the seafloor’s depths, let alone under the seafloor crust, to explore the springs of the sea. He probably didn’t even know about the springs. Today’s scientists haven’t literally walked the paths these deep waters take either, but they do explore them with deep-sea submersibles and computer models.

And what do today’s scientists find? Let’s read on:

In 2003 Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at the University of California Santa Cruz Andrew Fisher discovered that seawater sinks into the seafloor’s crust then rises through vents many miles away.

Ooooooooooooh — just like it says in the bible! We’ll skip to the end, which tells us the same thing rev Rives says:

When today’s scientists study the processes that power hydrothermal vents and learn about Job’s “springs of the sea,” they inadvertently confirm the accuracy and wisdom that flows throughout this most ancient book.

Wowie — accurate science in the bible! But wait a minute. Here are a few other passages, also from Job 38 (King James version, of course):

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

What do Rives and ICR say about the foundations of the earth, or the gates of death, or the place where light and darkness dwell? For some reason, they don’t discuss those things. In Job 39 we find even more wondrous science:

9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

There are many more examples like those, but we won’t go hunting for them. We stayed in the book of Job, which rev Rives and ICR are babbling about. If you’re curious, you can find an ark-load here: The Earth Is Flat!, and also here: The Earth Does Not Move!

So we leave you with a great mystery, dear reader. Is the phrase “springs of the sea” mere poetry that is being wildly overblown to assert that the bible is a great source of science? We’ll let you decide.

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18 responses to “Creation Science: The Springs of the Sea

  1. Koran: 55 Ar-Rahman 19-20: “He released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses.”

    This is obvious proof that the Koran is a scientific text since it is talking about the salinity barrier between the Atlantic and Mediterranean that wasn’t discovered until Cousteau. I wonder if Rives will now pray to Allah?

  2. michaelfugate

    Great (or so-so maybe highly impaired…) minds think alike! Rives and Thomas!

  3. michaelfugate

    You do have to love this:

    David Rives Ministries is founded upon and rooted in the scriptural mandate to go into all the world, proclaiming the truth of God’s love through a unique blend of Biblical astronomy, archaeology, music and speaking. Using an observatory-quality telescope, we capture deep sky images, providing scientific credibility and objective evidence of the glory of our universe.

    Where in the Bible does it say specifically to use “a unique blend of Biblical astronomy, archaeology, music and speaking”? He he just making that up?

  4. Stephen Kennedy

    On many occasions when I have been swimming or walking along the bottom of a lake or pond I have suddenly noticed small areas where the water was much colder than the rest of the lake or pond. I surmised that there was a spring on the bottom there spewing out cold water.

    I am sure I am not the only one to have ever had this experience and it is no surprise that people may have extrapolated this to the oceans and assumed it had underwater springs as well.

  5. Well if the buyBull is SSSSOOOooooo scientific then why haven’t the informed xtians tell use about the science instead of waiting for science to discover stuff.

  6. Dave Luckett

    Please don’t call it “mere poetry”. It’s very great poetry, rich in numinous imagery, full of the most powerful metaphor, able to engage the imagination across almost unique barriers of time, language and culture. The only comparitive text within western culture, for age, is Homer.

    What it isn’t, is science. It demeans it to treat it as if it were. To my mind, the fact that these idiots have a tin ear and the literary understanding of a parrot is as much to their detriment as their wretched ignorance.

  7. Dave Luckett

    As to this:

    “David Rives Ministries is founded upon and rooted in the scriptural mandate to go into all the world, proclaiming the truth of God’s love through a unique blend of Biblical astronomy, archaeology, music and speaking.”

    The only bit of this that’s actually scriptural is the missionary charge expressed in the last verse of Matthew’s gospel. But that is purely an instruction to evangelise. The rest of Rives’ pitch is pure bull puckey. Nowhere in Holy Writ is there a directive or “mandate” to acquire scientific knowledge. “Biblical astronomy”, my foot. “Archeology”? What is this word?

    (1 Thessalonians 5:21 is often quoted as requiring testing of knowledge, but the context refers only to prophetic utterance.)

    David Rives Ministries is founded upon and rooted in the prosaic fact that fools can be parted from their money by slick promotions on the internet. That’s it. That’s all of it.

  8. In Job 39 we find even more wondrous science:
    9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

    I don’t know if they claim that one as a scientific truth or not. But Ken Ham probably does. After all, it is certainly true that some animals simply do not domesticate well. (In the 1611, the KJV translators assumed it to be the rhinoceros, but today most lexicographers assume it refers to the wild ox.) Yet, either way, neither animal is suitable for pulling a plow or wagon.

    Obviously, lots of ancient societies realized that some animals didn’t domesticate easily–and Jarod Diamond showed us how this domestication issue was a huge factor in becoming an “advanced society”.

  9. “Springs of the seas” are real and important in one sense – for example http://www.aawsat.net/2014/09/article55336648/freshwater-springs-off-lebanons-coast-offer-solution-to-countrys-water-shortfall . The deserts of Arabia have underground rivers and caves and groundwater which empty into the seas around it.
    In fact, in one documentary on human origins (Incredible Human Journey – Alice Roberts), these springs were identified off all along the eastern Arabian coast, which had a critical role for survival of the first humans out of Africa – from Ethiopia to Yemen across the gulf of Aden – these would have been exposed when sea levels were lower. These may have been known to people in the regions all around Arabia, either as legend or to those who dived for a living.

  10. Steven Thompson

    As Professor Tertius implies, the “unicorn” in Job 39:9 is almost certainly not some mythical or folkloric beast. The Hebrew word is re’em, cognate with the Akkadian rimu which certainly means “aurochs” (the extinct wild ox), though there is some controversy over whether the Hebrew term is identical in meaning with its Akkadian cognate.

  11. The whole truth

    What a ridiculous, arrogant attempt by ICR and Rives to substantiate their fairy tale beliefs.

  12. The whole truth

    DavidK, the article you linked to at huffpo sure did fire up a bunch of god defenders/pushers. It never ceases to amaze me that so many people are proud to be insecure, ignorant sheeple.

  13. And another bit of real science for Rev. Rives to deal with: Four-legged snake ancestor ‘dug burrows’

  14. @DL: “David Rives Ministries is founded upon …..”
    Of course. That’s why the Good Rev himself does all the videos and not some grumpy old lady/geezer.

  15. Off-topic, but of great interest: Another “missing link” has been found, a four-legged snake. It’s all over the place in the news today.
    http://news.sciencemag.org/paleontology/2015/07/four-legged-snake-fossil-stuns-scientists-and-ignites-controversy

  16. Oops! Sorry, Megalonyx! I should have read all the postings before writing.

  17. Techreseller

    Hmmm. My decision on who to believe, science or Rives. Let me give that some thought. Ok, done. Science. Whew.