A Great Creationist University

The Curmudgeon knows your innermost thoughts, and we’re aware that what you really want is to find a great creationist university for your children’s education. We’re here to help.

Just wait ’till you see what we found at the blog of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia. He’s famed for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG) and for the mind-boggling Creation Museum.

Ol’ Hambo has just posted Partnering with a Creationist University. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

One of the most-asked questions I receive at conferences and from visitors to the Creation Museum concerns whether I have a recommendation for a Bible college or university that has a strong creationist emphasis that their teenagers could attend.

Yes, everyone wants his kids to grow up to be creationists So what’s Hambo’s answer? Here it comes:

Sadly, there are very few creationist universities (or Bible colleges or seminaries, for that matter) in the world — and only one we know of that has a creation-based geology degree program — Cedarville University in Ohio (only about 2 hours from the Creation Museum)

Here’s a link to the Cedarville University website. Okay, back to Hambo:

This past week, we opened a new exhibit at the Creation Museum — sponsored by Cedarville University. It’s called the Cedarville University Mining Company sluice.

Mining? We didn’t realize there was creationist mining, but now that we think about it, it makes perfect sense. Let’s read on:

Cedarville University has come alongside the Creation Museum for yet another fun and teachable activity — this time involving geology. Guests will be able to “mine” their own fossils and gemstones and then identify them. There will be workshops at the sluice to teach about geology and the wonderfully created items that are discovered in each bag of dirt, which costs only $6.00 (including tax).

Only six dollars? Amazing! Hambo continues:

Participants will also be able to get additional information about geology from Dr. John Whitmore (who heads up the geology program at Cedarville) through a special link from Cedarville University. The fun never stops at the Creation Museum!

Whitmore writes for AIG, and he was a speaker at AIG’s First conference on creation geology. Here’s more:

AiG’s molecular geneticist, Dr. Georgia Purdom, is a Cedarville alumna, and there are others associated with AiG (spouses or children of staff members, for example) who are current students or graduates of this university.

Wow — sweet Georgia Purdom is a Cederville graduate! It must be a terrific school! One last excerpt:

Thanks, Cedarville University, for sponsoring a great addition to the Creation Museum!

Well, dear reader, you were looking for a creationist university, and now you’ve found it. We are pleased to have brought you this information.

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26 responses to “A Great Creationist University

  1. Ah, yes. One more university to avoid.

    Much appreciated.

  2. michaelfugate

    No wonder Georgia believes what she does. Cedarville is hardcore.

    We believe that the Scriptures provide a literal and historical account of God’s creation of all things. The climax of the six days of creation was the special, immediate and personal creation of human life. The first humans, Adam and Eve, were directly created, not evolved from previous life forms. God created humans, male and female, in His image. Human life, sexual identity and roles are aspects of God’s creative design. From creation, marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman that should be marked by sexual purity, by sacrificial male leadership, and by recognizing the divine blessing of children, including preborn children. Adam and Eve, though created in perfection, sinned, warranting physical death, spiritual death, and eternal separation from God. Consequently, all human beings are born with a sinful nature, and are sinners in thought, word, and deed.

  3. Ham is selling bags of dirt for $6? His business acumen is astounding!

  4. Yes, everyone wants their kids to grow up to be creationists

    Yes, everyone wants to rear their kids to be dumber than a sack of hammers — dumber, perhaps, than even sweet Georgia Purdom.

    In all those socialist hellholes like Sweden, New Zealand, universities are expected to meet certain standards: a joint like Cedarville “University” — or Bob Jones “University,” for that matter — simply could not exist. There could be similar institutions, but they wouldn’t be called universities and no one would regard the “degrees” they awarded as worth more than the bogroll they were printed on. Only in the glorious free-market economy, where for a few thousand bucks John Oliver can set up a church that qualifies for tax breaks . . .

  5. Do they allow teaching the controversy regarding Intelligent Design and freedom of speech, i.e., teach (real) evolution as well? Don’t hold your breath, and no, if you should endeavor to do so, the Dishonesty Institute will not defend you.

  6. I may have posted this story here in the past, but it’s probably appropriate to repeat it here, considering the Cedarville connection in this story. Many years ago, Cedarville’s Whitmore and a student (“John Woodmorappe”, although he used his real name at the time) invited me to show them the Ordovician rocks & fossils of Caesar Creek Park in Ohio. I spent several hours with them, showing them how to recognize hardgrounds and pointing out the fossil organisms encrusting the hardground surfaces, including some rare things. During lunch, Whitmore commented that he had just learned more geology with me in a couple hours than he ever had before. All along, I was being duped. “Woodmorappe” was actually doing a creationist hardground study in order to trash my undergraduate senior thesis, which was on Ordovician hardgrounds & hardground faunas of Caesar Creek. In hindsight, his comment at lunchtime should have been a tip off. I now know to look up the backgrounds of people who contact me & ask for this or that. Whitmore is obviously a fraud and is/was/is incompetent about geology. Everyone needs to shout this from the rooftops. Creationists – they lie and deceive for a living, whether it’s Hamster or Gerbil or “Whit”-less.

  7. I think Americans are tremendously loose in what, exactly, they affix the word “university” to.

  8. @DavidK and johnzande

    Bingo!

  9. @James St. John

    I had a similar sort of experience, again years ago. The night before I faced a crack-o’-dawn triple-bypass operation, I was just about to shut down operations in order to try to get some sleep (yeah, right) when an email arrived. The writer had read my book Corrupted Science and, for the purposes of his thesis would be grateful for a para from me about Richard Dawkins. So, on the basis that it might be a week or more before I could help him out otherwise, I stayed up an extra twenty minutes to give him his paragraph. I’ll do just about anything if it strokes my ego.

    By return I got from this cretin, who I hadn’t realized was a Creationist from some bottom-of-the-swamp faux university, a gotcha! note. Richard Dawkins isn’t an evolutionary biologist, as I’d loosely said but a . . . and I forget what he’d decided Dawkins was. (I’ve just checked, and Wikipedia seems to thinks he’s an evolutionary biologist, although to be fair Wiki’s not a reliable source.)

    It was at this point that I expressed my . . . impatience with my correspondent. I have no idea if he used my para in his scrofulous pseudo-thesis or not. Probably he described me as an ignoramus who hadn’t a clue what Dawkins did. Perhaps he even quoted my f*** you note. It was a real eye-opener to me about the way Creationists deliberately deceive.

  10. Hey, john zande, I hope you’re not referring to my own prestigious institution, where you can Earn a Degree in Creationism Today!

  11. LOL! No, no… That’s legit🙂

  12. Creationist mining? Too obvious: Ham is clearly charging 6 bucks for a bag of quotes.

  13. I heard that for only $3 you can just get a bag of quotes.

  14. Let me offer another example: Atlantic Union College, in South Lancaster, Massachusetts. A Seventh-Day Adventist institution with its own grade school and high school attached, it’s fully committed to cretinism, I mean creationism.

  15. I think we’re all screwed. I looked up Cedarville and found that U.S. News and World Report listed it as the sixth best school in the midwest region. Then I looked at the first five. They are all Christian universities with some type of Creationism being taught!

  16. Richard Bond

    For a professional opinion on the geological credibility of John H Whitmore, see:
    http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/11/09/sneaking-pseudoscience-into-science-meetings/

    Incidentally, Donald Prothero’s book Evolution is brilliant.

  17. Dave Luckett

    There seems to be a high proportion of private universities in the US. Is there any requirement for the rigor of the studies presented in them? I know that there are various accreditation agencies which report and give ratings, but is there any official or mandated standard? Or can anyone set up a class in some rented space somewhere, call it the University of Mojave or Okeefenokee or wherever and advertise as such?

    Here’s a list of Australian universities: http://www.australianuniversities.com.au/list/

    Three of them – Australian Catholic, Notre Dame, and Bond – are private, the rest are State. The three private ones are unobjectionable, and quite rigorous, so far as I know. I have actually taught at Notre Dame, and it’s no more creationist than I am, but it specialises in law and medicine, and I don’t think it has a pure science program at all. Some for Bond, which is more a business school, and completely secular, ie, nothing to do with any religious body. About Australian Catholic I don’t know. I’d be shocked if it had anything to do with creationism, but it also has no pure science program – biomedical is as close as they come.

    I don’t know for sure, but I suspect that nobody can set up a school of any sort here – let alone call it a university and grant degrees – that teaches creationism as such. I believe a genuine and government enforced peer accreditation process operates.

    Don Patton and Carl Baugh claimed degrees from Australian “universities” which either don’t exist or didn’t grant degrees as claimed. Why they would need to do this, when institutions such as Cedarville exist at home, I can’t imagine.

  18. James St. James confirms MNb’s Golden Rule:

    “Creationists – they lie and deceive for a living”
    Indeed – assume that creationists lie until proven otherwise.

  19. Dave Luckett observes: “There seems to be a high proportion of private universities in the US.”

    Originally, all universities in the US were private, most (if not all) being church institutions. It wasn’t until Jefferson started the University of Virginia that there were any state-run universities.

  20. That’s nothing special. Both Dutch oldest and youngest University (Leiden and Vrije University respectively) were founded as religious institutions with theology being the main course. The thing is that all Dutch educational institutions need governmental recognition – and that makes very sure they all, including orthodox protestant ones, teach Evolution Theory. Creationism, if there, is strictly restricted to religious studies. And even then it can be considered a scandal, especially among christians.

    https://tasmedes.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/nederlandse-hoogleraren-die-zich-voor-creationisme-inzetten-moeten-universiteiten-dat-tolereren/

    “twee hoogleraren die aan gerenommeerde onderzoeksinstituten in Nederland werkzaam zijn de uitdrukkelijke pseudowetenschap van de Stichting De Oude Wereld ondersteunen, vind ik een gotspe.”

    “It’s a shame that two professors working at renowned Dutch research institutes support the explicit pseudoscience of Stichting De Oude Wereld.”

    The author, Taede A Smedes, is philosopher of religion and theologian.

  21. In response to Dave Luckett’s comment about the “requirement for the rigor of the studies”, while true anyone can say they are a university, the potential student has the burden of checking the institution’s accreditation.
    This is how we end up with fake Ph.Ds like “Dr” Kent Hovind, they get their credentials from diploma mills and unaccredited schools. And of course to call him anything except “Mr.” is a disservice to those who have legit credentials.

  22. Dave Luckett

    To continue, I find that the relevant authority in Australia is the Australian Government Tertiary Education Quality and Standards Agency. This assesses all institutions offering post-secondary courses in Australia, and is empowered by Act of Parliament to accredit the course, and the institution. Some institutions are permitted to accredit their own courses, under the Agency’s oversight. This would include the traditional and reputable universities.

    I can’t ascertain from the wording on the site whether institutions that are not accredited by the Agency are permitted to remain in operation, or even whether there is any redress against an enterprise describing itself as a university or college or some such, granting what it calls “degrees” or “diplomas”.

  23. Dave Luckett wonders:

    whether there is any redress against an enterprise describing itself as a university or college or some such, granting what it calls “degrees” or “diplomas”.

    In the US, unless a word is a trademark, like Realtor, or there is specific legislation to protect the public from frauds, such as calling oneself an attorney or a physician, I think everything is up for grabs. The word “institute” means nothing, nor does “research.” Think of the Discovery Institute and the Institute for Creation Research. It looks like that’s also true for diploma mill “universities,” unless they falsely claim that their “degrees” actually mean anything.

  24. I’m an atheist biologist living nearby. They’re hiring for a Life Sciences position. Should I apply?

  25. @druzus: Cedarville specifically rejects Darwinian evolution. Can you teach biology under those conditions? They will most likely have you sign a declaration of belief which would be impossible for you to do honestly as an atheist.

    But then, they pretend to be a university, so I suppose it would be ethical for you to pretend to be religious. How badly do you need that job?