Creationist Wisdom #688: Proof Isn’t Needed

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Mountain Mail of Salida, Colorado. It’s titled We do not have to prove God – he is, and the newspaper has a comments section.

Unless the letter-writer is a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name — but today we’ve got a preacher. It’s Mike Thornsley, pastor of the Old Paths Independent Baptist Church. Excerpts from the rev’s letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

In my first article of the month, I emphasized what I am writing this month is targeted toward born-again believers. As always, a humanist/atheist took offense with the Bible. It never ceases to amaze me how they state there is no God and they hate the Bible and yet “waste” their time reading the church page editorials, just to look for something to rant and rave about.

Those people must be flat-out crazy. The rev says:

Humanists/atheists are the only people in the world that spend their time trying to disprove or criticize something they say does not exist. Many do not believe in “Bigfoot,” yet we do not waste time trying to prove he is a hoax. Many try to prove his existence but all those who do not believe don’t care.

He’s right. If “humanists/atheists” don’t worry about Bigfoot, then why do they care about Yahweh? Let’s read on:

Now, I cannot prove God. I believe by faith that God exists. This is not “blind faith” as there are many proofs.

That seems a wee bit contradictory, but it doesn’t bother the rev. He tells us:

The Word of God has been attacked since the Garden of Eden when Satan said, “Yea, hath God said …?” Since then, men have tried to disprove the Bible and hence disprove God. Yet, they can’t do it! All they can do is spew out words of hatred and bitterness claiming the Bible is full of hatred.

All you have is hatred and bitterness, dear reader. The rev continues:

Some have offered large cash prizes from $250,000 to $1 million to anyone who could disprove one thing about the Bible. No one has been able to.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The Wikipedia article on Kent Hovind describes his offer of a $250,000 prize, but he set the conditions, and he would pick the judges. Here’s more:

Another proof of God is stated in the Scriptures, “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork” (Psalm 19:1). Christians have always believed in the Bible’s recording of a literal, 6-day creation of the universe. Some Christians, who were weak in the faith, doubted God’s Word when Darwin brought forth his theory of evolution.

Egad — Darwin’s theory! Moving along:

Evolution has been proven as a hoax time and time again and usually by evolutionists. Remember the “missing link” that was actually a modern pig’s tooth? Circular reasoning has been the evolutionist’s mainstay and is the reason it is still a theory and not a fact. Everything in this world proves God and his Word.

GaspNebraska Man wasn’t the missing link? Our professors lied to us! Another excerpt:

[An earlier letter-writer] stated “As a humanist, I look for and appreciate the good in other people, but I do not have to tolerate crazy supernatural beliefs unsupported by scientific evidence.” In this statement he contradicts himself many times.

First, who decides what is “good” in people without God? Isn’t “good” relative outside the laws of God? Second, the humanist cries that we need more toleration in the world – except when it comes to Christians and their beliefs. Third, I haven’t met a humanist who isn’t also an evolutionist. Evolutionists continue to change their theory because they can’t prove their theories. Yet, Christians are the ones with “crazy supernatural beliefs unsupported by scientific evidence.”

The rev has all the right answers! On with his letter:

Remember, Christian, we do not have to prove God – he is. Hypothetically, if I am wrong – no harm, no foul. When the atheist is wrong he will stand before the thrice holy God in judgment.

Ah yes, Pascal’s Wager. That’s always a winning argument. And now we come to the end:

When you get to the root of it, this is why the atheist is so hateful. He does not want to acknowledge that he will have to answer to God for himself.

You can’t fool the rev, dear reader. He know what’s in your heart.

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14 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #688: Proof Isn’t Needed

  1. Remember, Christian, we do not have to prove God – he is.

    Actually, you really do have to prove God if you are going to hold him up as rebuttal to a scientific theory.

  2. ANother dimwitted xtian making noises with his mouth, and what comes out aint fit to come out the other end!

  3. Wow! Mike Thornsley has some real difficulties with this cognitive-thinking stuff, doesn’t he?

    I wonder if basically he’s just transcribed a sermon, the kind of thing it’s easy to accept if it’s spoken from the pulpit (we all tend to nod along to a good orator, no matter how dumbass the content),

    Many do not believe in “Bigfoot,” yet we do not waste time trying to prove he is a hoax.

    In fact, some of us do “waste” our time investigating and debunking Bigfoot myths, because rational people have this strange impulse to remove myths from the public discourse.

  4. Christians have always believed in the Bible’s recording of a literal, 6-day creation of the universe.
    If he means all Christians, then he is just mistaken. Even in the first few centuries of Christianity, long before the beginnings of modern science.

  5. Eric Lipps

    Humanists/atheists are the only people in the world that spend their time trying to disprove or criticize something they say does not exist. Many do not believe in “Bigfoot,” yet we do not waste time trying to prove he is a hoax. Many try to prove his existence but all those who do not believe don’t care.

    I’m sure people would care if there were zealous believers trying to force Bigfoot lore into public school science classes.

  6. Dave Luckett

    To echo TomS, symbolic and figurative Christian interpretations of Genesis one and two go back at least to Origen in the fourth century, and are continued by Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, Charles Wesley, and others. The insistence on literality is an aberration, first manifested as the dogma of certain bodies of Christians no further back than the late nineteenth century. Some Christians have always read Genesis literally, mind. But it was never a required nor even a general belief within the whole Church, until lately, and only then in some outlying sects.

    You would think that a parson would not be so ignorant of Church history and doctrine. But at least the fellow is consistent. His ignorance of those subjects is nothing beside the cavernous void of his knowledge of science.

  7. Charles Deetz ;)

    Why are letters from pastors just as lame, unresearched, and scattered as those written by the regular ole hillbillies?

  8. Nebraska Man? Good to see our letter writer is keeping up to date with the latest finds.

  9. michaelfugate

    And the proposal that science changing is somehow a bad thing…

  10. Eddie Janssen

    This looks like a classic example of someone who doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

  11. Christine Janis

    “Nebraska Man? Good to see our letter writer is keeping up to date with the latest finds.”

    He can’t even get *that* right —- it was the tooth of a Miocene peccary, not a modern pig.

  12. “Humanists/atheists are the only people in the world that spend their time trying to disprove or criticize something they say does not exist.”

    Funny. I have the distinct impression that creationists are spending MUCH of their time (sometimes entire careers) trying to disprove or criticize evolution, even though they say there is no such thing.

  13. “In 2007, Creation Science Evangelism removed the offer from its website.” (Wikiedia on Hovind). So you’re just too damn late to claim that $250,000. Sorry.

  14. “…disprove one thing about the Bible. No one has been able to.” Sorry rev, lots of things in the bible have been proven wrong. Among many others, the list includes, a single male and female as the origin of the human species, the Exodus from Egypt, the great flood, and nearly every other “historical” story in the bible. As a work of history, it’s about as accurate as a Harry Potter novel and a lot more boring.