Slow Tuesday Free-Fire Zone

While we’re waiting for some entertaining news about The Controversy between evolution and creationism, we’ll mention a few items that you might find interesting:

1 You may recall our mentioning that on 04 June in Washington DC there would be an event that calls itself the Reason Rally. That’s their website. They said it’ll be “the biggest gathering of nonreligious people in history.”

It’s not the sort of thing we write about here, but we did mention it when there was a creationist connection. In Ken Ham Explains Atheism, we gave you ol’ Hambo’s view of things. And before that, in Ray Comfort Is Giving His Book Away, we told you that Comfort was planning to crash the event to promote his book.

We found some news about that at a creationist website: Ray Comfort Clashes With Police Over Atheist Outreach. They say:

Filmmaker and author Ray Comfort has to revise his outreach plans to atheists, according to Washington, D.C., police — or face arrest. … Comfort reported, “[My plans] constituted a protest and therefore we needed a permit to gather. We would have to stay at the other end of the National Mall, and they said that if we persisted to approach atheists to speak with them we would be arrested.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Here’s a recent news story about the event: Thousands of atheists gather for ‘Reason Rally’ in Washington, D.C.. They say it “drew about 15,000 to 20,000, less than 30,000 organizers were predicting.” Apparently there were no riots or other disruptions, or the thing would have attracted more news coverage.

2 At ol’ Hambo’s website they just posted Is the Sun Shrinking? It’s about an old creationist clunker that has long been debunked. There are a few entries about it at the TalkOrigins Index to Creationist Claims, for example: A shrinking sun indicates a young sun. Hambo’s creation scientists say the shrinking Sun argument is one that creationists shouldn’t use, however, their post ends with this:

Does the nuclear source of the sun indicate that the sun is billions of years old? Not at all. A nuclear energy source merely means that the sun could last for billions of years, but not that the sun is necessarily that old. … This could be evidence of God’s design in the sun.

3 Finally, we bring to your attention something that all of you probably learned long ago, but which never gets mentioned. The element uranium was named after — yes, you know — the Seventh Planet, the one that dare not speak its name.

That’s all we’ve got so far, and therefore we hereby declare another Intellectual Free-Fire Zone. We’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, or even astrology, theology, mythology, and sociology — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

We now throw open the comments to you, dear reader. Have at it.

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12 responses to “Slow Tuesday Free-Fire Zone

  1. Breaking News! I have proof that the Discoveroids have been right all along, and there really is an Intelligent Designer (Blessed be He!)!!!

    Here’s my incontrovertible evidence for all you godless materialistic atheistical Darwinist perverts to choke on. On a recent visit to Wales, I was walking along the banks of the Afon Lledr when I made an astounding observation, to wit:

    Although the visible rocks on the sides of the surrounding valley were all of a variety of irregular, sharp and angular shapes, all of the stones in the stream bed were round.

    Can anyone doubt my intuition that these river stones display the unambiguous hallmark of having been designed? Their round, streamlined shape is clearly intended to not impede the flow of the water as it irrigates the lovely Welsh valleys of our Privileged Planet!

    Of course, you godless degenerates will deny the TRVTH and claim that all these round stones not only arose by ‘natural processes’, but that they also are all assembled in the stream bed and nowhere else by blind chance alone! To which I say, Pshaw, stuff and nonsense!

    Time to recant, O Ye Unbelievers, and save yourselves from th’Eternal Lake o’ Fire!

  2. Megalonyx, how wrong you are. The stones were placed by the designer to permit barefoot people to comfortably fish and forage in the stream.

  3. jimroberts

    As an experienced Creation Scientist, I know, of course, that God-hating evilutionists will claim that the rounded pebbles in the stream evolved their well-designed shape because, as the running water randomly bumped them together, it randomly knocked off the sharp corners and edges until they randomly reached their current shapes. Being a Creation Scientist, I propose, as scientists will, an experiment: drop one of the jagged stones from nearby into the stream to see what happens after a couple of weeks.
    Now obviously, as a Creation Scientist, I don’t get my hands dirty doing actual experiments. Let us merely consider the possible results. First case: I cannot find my experimental rock; obviously the Great Organising Designer has already transformed my jagged rock into a rounded pebble like all the others. Case 2, subcase 1: I can identify my rock, but it is now smooth; evidence of the activity of the Designer. Case 2, subcase 2: I can identify my rock, and it is still jagged; the Designer has chosen to stay his hand on this occasion, and the jaggedness of the rock shows that evilutionary mechanisms, if present, would be far too slow to account for the high level of design in the world.

  4. Magalonyx’s observation is surely merely confirmation of the historical fact that Noah took two of each “kind” of stone, jagged and rounded, aboard the Ark with him. All the planet’s stones are descended from those two pairs. While they may today be of all shapes and sizes, they retain their “kinds” — you never see a stone turn into a mongoose,for example.

    Well, maybe on a Friday night.

  5. michaelfugate

    Are stones like Mendel’s round and wrinkled peas?

  6. Further developments following exacting experiments undertaken at the DI’s celebrated green-screen laboratory!

    By splitting one of the smooth riverstones in half (by whacking it against the thick skull of a Discoveroid Fellow), we find that it is irreducibly complex, that is, it is not made up of smaller round pebbles, but must have been designed as all-of-a-piece!

  7. michaelfugate

    Wait. If you remove any piece from a rock is it still a functioning rock?

  8. Holding The Line In Florida

    You guys just made my day! “…still a functioning rock?” Oh that is simply marvelous!

  9. Scientist throws down the gauntlet:

    Megalonyx, how wrong you are. The stones were placed by the designer to permit barefoot people to comfortably fish and forage in the stream.

    While I could counter this challenge by pointing out the Welsh are a hardy folk unmindful of their barefoot comfort, I am instead willing to embrace all arguments for ID–including arguments that are mutually exclusive–on the grounds that the real aim (as succinctly stated in the DI’s Wedge Document) is to discredit godless materialism and further its replacement with Ole Time Oogity-Boogity. The sooner we dispense with the fell Englightenment legacy of rationalism and empiricism, the sooner we can get back to the time-honoured traditional pastimes of waging endless religious wars, burning blaspheming heretics, and otherwise demonstrating that my God can beat your God up…

  10. Dave Luckett

    For the record: the proportion of helium to hydrogen in general space can be observed and calculated. The proportion of these elements in the sun can be observed and calculated. The sun’s output of energy can be observed and calculated. The process by which this energy is produced, namely the fusion of hydrogen to helium, is understood in great detail, and the energy released from every such fusion is known very precisely. Hence, the rate at which the sun fuses the one into the other can be observed and calculated. From this rate and the difference between the proportion of these elements found in the sun and in general space, the time during which the sun has been fusing them can be calculated, with some corrections for differential escape velocities and so on.

    The calculation is detailed, but not complex. With observational errors accounted for, it yields a figure of about five and a half billion years. That is, the sun has been a fusion furnace for that long.

    The usual Hamite response to this calculation will of course be, “Were you there?” followed by gobbledygook to the effect that the fundamental properties of matter, time and space could have been different six thousand years ago. Sigh.

  11. Richard Bond

    Megalonyx, you have reminded me of even more spectacular evidence in support of your brilliant and incontrovertible discovery. Chesil Beach consists of a bank of rounded stones, all perfectly arranged in ascending order of size, from shingle at West Bay to small boulders 30 km away at Portland!

  12. michaelfugate

    If a human removes pieces of a rock by flaking to make an arrowhead or a hand axe – doesn’t that make the rock reducibly complex – instead of irreducibly complex?