Jason Lisle’s Creationist Wisdom

It’s rare these days that we find something by Jason Lisle we can write about. He’s the creationist astrophysicist who used to be employed by Answers in Genesis (AIG), ol’ Hambo’s online ministry.

We know you remember Jason Lisle’s “Instant Starlight” Paper. That was Jason’s solution to the Distant Starlight problem. The problem — for young-earth creationists — is that the light we see from distant sources required literally billions of years to reach earth, yet the creationist’s universe is only 6,000 years old.

For reasons which have never been explained, Jason left AIG a couple of years ago to become director of whatever it is that they call research at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom. But ICR recently changed Jason’s title. He’s now described as their “Director of Physical Sciences.” It looks like he’s been down-graded, but it makes no difference. Our guess is that he’s got nowhere else to go.

Anyway, Jason’s latest post at ICR’s website is Creation Apologetics [Podcast]. It’s a description of several podcasts that ICR is making available. Each is given a brief description, and without wasting our time and listening to them, that’s all we have to work with. Here are some excerpt from each podcast’s description:

1) Your Origins Matter: Is Genesis just a myth made up by primitive people? Is it merely an allegory containing spiritual truths? Or does this book reveal a historical record of how God literally created the universe? Every Christian should believe in a literal Genesis and stand ready to defend biblical creation.

This is the next:

2) The Timescale of Creation: Many claim that science proves the Earth is billions of years old. But Genesis chapter one teaches that God created the universe and everything in it in only six days. How long ago did God create the universe and how long did He take to do it? Does this issue really matter?

Thrilling, huh? Let’s read on:

3) Astronomy: The Bible Got It Right! Does astronomy disprove the Bible like many scoffers claim? Actually, history confirms that the Bible is always right when it touches on any subject — including astronomy. Learn how the Bible got astronomy right when it addresses the roundness of Earth, its suspension in space, the expansion of the heavens, and more!

That one ought to be pure creationist gold — especially since we previously described what scripture clearly tells us. See The Earth Is Flat! and also The Earth Does Not Move! Jason’s post continues:

4) The Age of the Universe: Most students are taught that the universe is 13.8 billion years old. But the Bible teaches a much younger age. In this episode, we’ll discuss the many lines of evidence confirming that the universe is, in fact, only thousands of years old.

You don’t want to miss that! And finally:

5) Logical Fallacies: Logic is the study of the principles of correct reasoning. It can teach us to think properly and construct rational arguments — valuable skills for defending the Christian faith. Christians should learn how to spot logical fallacies when conversing with people who challenge their beliefs.

We’ve already seen some examples of Jason’s logic, e.g.: Jason Lisle: The Logic of Faith, and also Creationism and Logic.

That’s all there is to Jason’s post. If you care to click on his podcasts and hear what he has to say, go right ahead. Then tell us what you’ve learned.

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15 responses to “Jason Lisle’s Creationist Wisdom

  1. Lisle is a total dud as far as defending creationism is concerned. He’s an astronomer, but does he attack all the evidence for the great age of the universe provided by the “life cycle” of stars, or by colliding galaxies, or from the Big Bang? No he doesn’t, the cowardly wimp. And he isn’t as honest as his fellow creationist astronomer Danny Faulkner who just hopes that maybe someday creationists will somehow explain all the evidence away. No wonder he has trouble keeping a job, if he can’t meet even creationism’s pitiful standards.

  2. @SC: I think there’s a minor mistake. I think you copied the first, few lines for “Your Origins Matter” for the second one, “The Timescale of Creation”. Here’s what I found on the ICR website for “The Timescale of Creation”:

    Many claim that science proves the Earth is billions of years old. But Genesis chapter one teaches that God created the universe and everything in it in only six days. How long ago did God create the universe and how long did He take to do it? Does this issue really matter?

  3. We can trust creacrappers like Jason to be experts on logical fallacies. They use them all the time. Seriously, it’s them who gave me the exercise material I needed to practice recognizing logical fallacies.

  4. He shows one of the basic misunderstandings of science that many people have. Any point in science is NOT just support by evidence for that point, but the evidence for a thousand related points that all support and lead to each other.
    Made light instantly? Well if the gawd could do so then why did he need 6 time periods (the oldest hebrew versions do not say DAY) to do it all?
    Gawd could have snapped a finger and all was done. But instead he did it like ancient builders would have don it!!

  5. michaelfugate

    I just listened to Jason’s “Logical Fallacies” podcast.
    He encourages the listener to go read up on logical fallacies so they can point them out to non-Christians who use them repeatedly in their arguments. In fact, without fallacies, they have no argument is his point.
    He highlights three:
    1) equivocation – he claims “evolutionists” use microevolution interchangeably with macroevolution is a fallacy of equivocation.
    2) reification – he claims “evolutionists” again use “science says evolution is true” when they mean “scientists say evolution is true”. Scientists are human and fallible, therefore….
    3) begging the question – I think he meant poisoning the well here, but I don’t want to listen to that ever again. He claims “evolutionists” say “evolution says x, but creationism says Y” and by sticking the “ism” on they are trying to make creation look like a mere belief.

    That’s it. I don’t think I need to point out the fallacies he used.

  6. Gary says:

    I think you copied the first, few lines for “Your Origins Matter” for the second one, “The Timescale of Creation”.

    I noticed the similarity while I was writing the post and I double checked it. That’s how Jason had it, originally. No problem, however. I just changed it to include the new language.

  7. Charles Deetz ;)

    I think my last comment on a thread about Lisle was that he seemed reachable. It sounds like his demotion? requires him to kow-tow closer to the ICR way of talking: ‘The bible is right no matter what.’ Will he escape, or give up his soul?

  8. One word summary of Lisle: insipid.

  9. @ L. Long

    Not only did God need 6 days or time periods to create the universe, but he needed a 7th to rest. God apparently gets tired.

    I never understood that.

  10. 1) Your Origins Matter: Is Genesis just a myth made up by primitive people? Is it merely an allegory containing spiritual truths? Or does this book reveal a historical record of how God literally created the universe? Every Christian should believe in a literal Genesis and stand ready to defend biblical creation.

    And what does one say to those Christians who don’t believe Genesis is literally true? “Die, infidel dogs!” perhaps?

    Seriously, what fundamentalists do is to say that these people aren’t real Christians; they’re more like, you know, Catlicks and such, Satan’s pawns who only think they’re Christians and who’ll get tossed into the fire on Judgment Day right along with your out-and-out atheists.

  11. Ed says,
    “God apparently gets tired.
    I never understood that.”

    Hell, Ed, everybody’s human.

  12. So true…

  13. Mike Elzinga

    I have watched some of Lisle’s videos; he seems to me to be to be a hopelessly muddle-headed creep. When I dug into to his “physics” of his “solution” to the creationists’ “distant starlight problem” – in which he claims that light travels at infinite speed toward all points in space and at c/2 away from all points in space – I knew he was a crackpot.

    When he “proved” that the Earth/Moon system was too young to account for evolution by claiming that the rate of recession of the Moon’s orbit is proportional to 1/r^6 (viz., dr/dt = k/r^6), I was dead sure that he was also totally incompetent.

    One has to wonder why even ICR keeps him on their payroll. YECs as a group strike me as being quite dense.

  14. Creationism is cargo cult science, Mike. You don’t have to have a shred of competence. You simply need to able to wave your hands or write mathematical symbols on paper so it *looks* like you’re doing science.

  15. Lisle has a PhD in astrophysics from U. Colorado Boulder, so pleading either ignorance or lack of intellect doesn’t fly. This is wilful self-deception or lying, likely a combination of both. Lisle’s rhetorics are an example of doublethink that would make Orwell chill.