Rev. David Rives — Ocean Salt Problem

The fun never stops around here. The Drool-o-tron™ suddenly called to us with its sirens and flashing lights, and the blinking letters of its wall display said WorldNetDaily (WND). The Drool-o-tron™ had found the latest video by the brilliant and articulate leader of David Rives Ministries.

Our computer was locked onto this headline at WND: How ocean salt gives a clue for Creation. We’re always excited by such clues, so we had to take a look.

The actual title of the rev’s video is “Too Much Salt!” What does that mean? The rev says that if evolution really happened, it would require millions of years, but there’s evidence that there hasn’t been that much time on Earth. For example, every year, the oceans get saltier. If the Earth were billions of years old, the oceans should be far saltier than they are now. At current rates — gasp, that’s uniformatarianism! — it would take only 42 million years to get the salt in the oceans to their current level. And it didn’t take anywhere near that long. Noah’s Flood accounts for most of the oceanic salt. So evolution is bunk. It requires too much faith!

There’s nothing new here. The rev’s salt “problem” is an ancient creationist clunker. The TalkOrigins Index to Creationist Claims debunks it here. It’s also debunked in How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? along with a bunch of Kent Hovind’s other arguments. Scroll down to number 24 for this specific item.

The rev is wearing his gray bible-boy suit, and he’s not wearing a necktie. It doesn’t matter what he wears. He’s the cutest rev you’ve ever seen! This video runs about 2 and a half minutes before the commercial at the end. Go ahead, click over to WND and watch it.

As we always do with the rev’s videos, we dedicate the comments section for your use as an Intellectual Free Fire Zone. You know the rules. Okay, the comments are open. Go for it!

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21 responses to “Rev. David Rives — Ocean Salt Problem

  1. Talk Origins doesn’t appear to specify how salt is removed from the oceans. Vast deposits of rock salt (halitite, composed of halite – NaCl) are formed by evaporation of seawater in restricted basins. Good examples include Silurian rock salt in the subsurface of the American Great Lakes area, the Jurassic Luann Salt of the subsurface Gulf of Mexico, and the Messinian salts in the Miocene of the Mediterranean. The largest volume of rock salt on Earth is in the Cambrian of Siberia.

  2. @James St John

    You’re right. And I’ve just been looking into the (very useful!) Dalrymple essay that TO eventually links to; there, too, there’s no spelling out of the “salt cycle”. However, this helps. I imagine, too, that a good deal of the salt gets locked into ocean-floor sediments and thereby eventually incorporated into new rock, whence erosion/weathering in due course returns it to the cycle.

  3. Doctor Stochastic

    From now on, the Good Reverend shall be sat below the salt.

  4. In response to DavidK’s comment from you last post, I’d like to recommend the Potholer54 Youtube video on Haran Yahya, which covers his “Atlas of Creation” in some detail.

  5. A bit off topic, but that’s no problem here. For those who may not know it, to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the original Star Trek series, the BBC channel is running those programs non-stop for a day or two. It starts in about an hour.

  6. I wonder how the rev. explains the Khenwra salt mines, elevation 910 ft., in the Punjab region. That mine is the source of the Himalayan pink salt.

    So, how do several hundred million tons of salt–or more–somehow get deposited 910 feet above sea level? That poses two questions I’m sure the rev. will ignore, wave away, misrepresent, or flat-out lie about.

    1) if that salt is in the Himalayas, it isn’t in the ocean, so what does that do to his dating, which relies on the accumulation of salt in the ocean? And

    2) how did that salt get from a few hundred feet under the ocean to 910 feet above sea level and several hundred miles inland in just 6000 or 4350 years?

    Hmmmm. Makes one wonder, it do…

  7. Creationists never tire of such number games. They always rest on some assumption, hidden or otherwise, which upon examination turns out to be anywhere from merely false to utterly ridiculous. some are so bad that even some creationists gag on them–but that doesn’t mean other creationists stop using them.

  8. @Coyote

    So, how do several hundred million tons of salt–or more–somehow get deposited 910 feet above sea level?

    Easy! It was deposited when the globe-encompassing waters of the Flood evaporated/sank into the ground/did, er, whatever they had to do.

    Hm, come to think of it, the current saltiness of the oceans spells problems for the YECs too. Surely, as the waters of the Flood ebbed, all the salt of a global, miles-deep ocean would have been left behind in a many-times-smaller ocean. Shouldn’t today’s ocean be many times saltier than it is? Or does God desalinate in mysterious ways?

  9. @Eric Lipps

    As the TalkOrigins link points out, even many Creationists recognize the “salt” argument is botox. They give a reference to one Melvin Cook. In this light, it’s even more surprising the Rev Rives should choose to pretend to his loyal flock that the matter is one of contention.

    Say, surely we can’t suppose that he could — oh merciful heavens forfend! — despite his baby face and tastefully chosen, parishioner-paid-for accouterments, be, well fibbing?

  10. realthog:
    ” Surely, as the waters of the Flood ebbed, all the salt of a global, miles-deep ocean would have been left behind in a many-times-smaller ocean. Shouldn’t today’s ocean be many times saltier than it is?”

    Well, that would be the case if all that rain came down on Noah as salt water.

  11. @retiredsciguy
    You mean, dammit, there might be some flaw in my creationist theory? And just after I’ve sold a movie option to Glenn Beck?

    Hmf. Typical left-wing trollery, you ask me.

  12. We keep referring to Rives as Reverend David Rives. His own website makes no mention whatsoever of any such credentials — not even a college course, let alone a degree. It does say he’s made “eleven trips to the Holy Land” and has worked with “observatory class telescopes”, but nary a word about his education.

  13. @realthog — Hey, maybe it did rain saltwater. You know, anything is possible in a book that claims that it rained over 28,000 feet of rain in 40 days and 40 nights.

  14. “Reverend”, unlike “Doctor”, “Professor”, “Judge”, “Mayor” or any similar word used as an honorific, is a self-awarded title. Rives runs what he calls a ministry. It consists of flogging lies to fools via the internet, but he can call it what he likes. Since he runs a ministry, he calls himself Reverend. There’s nothing to prevent him.

    Hovind, Baugh and various other con men call themselves “Doctor”, which is a good deal nearer the knuckle. But they can get away even with that. Hell, the band leader in a burlesque joint was called “Professor”. And don’t get me started on “Colonel”.

  15. Coyote wonders “how the rev. explains …”
    If nothing works then there is always Goddiddid.

  16. @retiredsciguy

    Was not the rain the tears of God?

    I rest my case. Salty.

  17. As so often, creationist arguments must be taken with a grain of salt.

  18. Hey! Preacher boy! The real salt water problem is how did all that freshwater rain that flooded the whole world NOT kill off all the ocean creatures????

  19. This did get me curious. Obviously, shallow inland seas go extinct leaving sometimes large amounts of salt behind (The mines under Detroit being a good example). Over the course of eons this gets covered up with soil and sand.
    The talk origins FAQ suggests that the salt in the ocean is in a steady state. Does this mean that the oceans reach a certain saturation level and then it begins to precipitate out? I doubt this, because it seems like it could get a lot higher as in the Dead Sea for example.

  20. Hey Rev. Ancient salt and anhydrite formations occur in most of the world’s
    sedimentary basin. In the Gulf of Mexico deep water for instance, the Louann salt, an early Jurassic startigraphic unit, thins to zero thickness in S Arkansas and N Missisippi, yet southwards accumulated to such great thicknesses that it deformed and acted plastically in the Cretaceous and Tertiary to form numerous salt domes, salt swells, turtle structures, mini basins, salt sheets and salt canopies.
    Your salt “budget” argument is baseless. Now, go fire up that Chevy and burn off some gasoline found using the science of modern geology.

  21. @L.Long
    And if it was salt water, how did it not kill off all the freshwater life?
    I know, the distinction between life adapted to freshwater and saltwater microevolved after the Flood.