Creative Challenge #34: Trump & Creationism

The election, for reasons we can’t imagine, appears to have silenced all of our usual sources of creationist news. They haven’t said anything even remotely interesting to us. So we’ll take advantage of the situation to present another Creative Challenge.

The US will soon have a new president. Donald Trump is no creationist, but neither is he a scientist. He’s said some goofy things, especially about climate change, and he may try to do some goofy things. Nevertheless he’s obviously not a religious fanatic, and at least so far, his election hasn’t caused any jubilation among creationists or theocrats. He never pandered to them, and they don’t seem to regard him as one of their own. His vice president, on the other hand, certainly is a creationist.

Today’s challenge is for you to suggest something — anything! — creationists (either the bible type or the Discoveroids), could do to use the election results to their advantage. We’re not trying to help them, but it would be useful if we knew what to watch for. The form of today’s challenge is that you must tell us, with reasonable brevity:

How can creationists use the Trump victory to promote creationism?

You know the rules: You may enter the contest as many times as you wish, but you must avoid profanity, vulgarity, childish anatomical analogies, etc. Also, avoid slanderous statements about individuals. Feel free to comment on the entries submitted by others — with praise, criticism, or whatever — but you must do so tastefully.

There may not be a winner of this contest, but if there is, your Curmudgeon will decide, and whenever we get around to it we’ll announce who the winner is. There is no tangible prize — as always in life’s great challenges, the accomplishment is its own reward. We now throw open the comments section, dear reader. Go for it!

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23 responses to “Creative Challenge #34: Trump & Creationism

  1. Easy–but not comic.

    Just as for Brexit, the Trump campaign has been based on the principle of despise and ignore the experts!

    Your opinion is as good as anyone else’s about anything at all. Let a thousand self-published genius blossoms bloom!

  2. The pollsters were all wrong, just like all those smug biologists! The media elite, like the liberal, godless professors (see “God’s Not Dead”), relied on presupposions and opinions mascerading as science while scorning those who thought otherwise. Trump wins, Ken Ham is vindicated. The media, political elite, and Gallileo were dead wrong the whole time.

  3. @tony-c

    The media, political elite, and Gallileo were dead wrong the whole time.

    Well, Galileo was certainly dead the whole time . . .

  4. He’s said some goofy things, especially about climate change, and he may try to do some goofy things.
    SC, I think you’re much too forgiving of Trump’s absurd utterances.
    That said, he has proposed a national voucher system that would basically kill off much of the public school system in America, giving those funds, without accountability, to private and parochial schools. The preachers are salivating at the thought of getting this money. Our mighty Congress has refused to kill the voucher program in D.C., money ill spent on failing voucher programs enriched with public funds and likewise in other state voucher programs, e.g., Ohio, Wisconsin, Louisiana, etc. that too are demonstrating no accountability for poor performance, and of course, these funds ultimately will come from the public school coffers, already hit hard by the republicans, preachers and even creationists.

  5. @DavidK

    SC, I think you’re much too forgiving of Trump’s absurd utterances.

    It’s almost as if our host is trying to trivialize the global disaster that is the election of Trump, isn’t it?

  6. tony-c,

    You nailed it exactly.

    David Coppedge has already said as much: “Many conservatives feel chains dropping off after this election. Now that the pollsters, the pundits and the naysayers were proven wrong, there’s freedom in the air to say what one believes.”

    Just to translate the simpleton binary world that uses creationist-ese: conservative = creationist and telling a creationist he is wrong is infringing on his freedom of speech.

    source

  7. @DavidK

    Sort of reminiscent of Sinclair Lewis’s novel It Can’t Happen Here, isn’t it? It’s not just that Doremus Jessup, through inaction, allowed it to happen, it’s that it’s forbidden to be Doremus Jessup.

  8. “Trump has said some goofy things.” Those things were lies and evasions and denials so couldn’t you find a more enlightened objective descriptor than “goofy”? How about “dangerous” or “misinformed” or “willfully ignorant”?

    I am still waiting for your answer to my question at https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/trump-and-pence-on-science/#comment-107870

  9. Simple. They can hire some female professionals to exhaust The Donald to death in bed. Then the path to glorious victory is open for creacrap.

  10. There are indeed a number of invaluable lessons from the American election for Creationists seeking to promote their own reactionary agenda.

    Although we criticise the Discoveroids for failing to provide any empirical data or theoretical detail (such as ‘what, when, and how’), it should now be clear they in fact provide far too much detail. The DI offers ‘Irreducible Complexity’ and ‘Specified Information’ when what the Pliant Majority craves is Conducible Simplicity and Subsidised Misinformation. Turgid screeds about functionality of junk DNA or the wonders of bacterial flagella aren’t effective, but content-free sound-bites are: just consider how wealthy and well-known Ken Ham has grown with the slogan “Prepare to Believe!” while Klinghoffer obscurely languishes in a dingy office over a Seattle gym.

    So Ham should jettison the last trappings of ‘Creation Science’ and Klingy the faux-scientific cargo cult of Intelligent Design in favour of full-tilt sloganeering and flag-waving. In place of sloppy claims that ‘Darwinism was an essential influence on Hitler,’ the DI needs to proclaim that Charles Darwin was actually the founder of the Nazi Party, just like Obama was the founder of ISIS. Usefully, Wikileaks could publish hacked emails proving that Richard Dawkins personally murdered Vince Foster and Bill Nye regularly hosts a coven of Satanists. And Hambo needs to sell golfing caps emblazoned with the bold legend, “MAKE INERRANCY GREAT AGAIN!”

    Science places ‘sovereignty’ in empirical reality, but Trumpism makes us all feel better by insisting that sovereignty resides solely in popular opinion, no matter how ill informed. In fact, the less informed the better. The populist Brexit/Trumpist wave (which may well also bring victory for Le Pen’s Front National in the looming French elections) looks set to take the world back to the confrontational nationalisms of the 1930’s. And what could be better for the DI’s programme of taking us all back to the even greater blessings of the pre-Darwin era prior to 1859, and thence—through the continuing labours of Hambo’s AiG—on back to the Bronze Age and a glorious new Era of Endarkenment?

  11. There is an explanation of how Young Earth Creationism took over from Old Earth Creationism just as the evidence came pouring in for the more precise dating of the past.
    Or how a construction demonstrating just how improbable is a floating wooden refuge for many animals, is celebrated by believers in the reality of Noah’s Ark.
    I was going to include the well-known quote of Mencken. To get it right, I went to Wikiquote.org. And then I was confronted with too many other appropriate quotes from Mencken. Just browse through that.

  12. The way creationists promote creationism in government is primarily through state legislatures. Creationism will be aided to the extent that the election of Trump encourages state politicians to believe they, too, will be rewarded by their constituents by doing and saying crazy things. Not that they were very inhibited before…

    I don’t think Trump has any personal influence on creationism. It’s just the notion that the rules of logic and evidence are no longer important in politics that will fuel creationist efforts.

    The area I am most worried about is climate change. On that subject, unless he changes his position, Trump is a clear and present danger. Hopefully when confronted by the experts within the various government agencies and the military he will abandon his conspiracy views and honor international agreements.

    His views on almost every subject seem very malleable, so there is hope.

  13. Our Curmudgeon writes that Trump’s

    election hasn’t caused any jubilation among creationists or theocrats. He never pandered to them

    Have to disagree with that one. He did indeed attempt to pander to the Fundagelicals, though I’ll allow not very convincingly: Donald Trump Can’t Name His Favorite Verse in the Bible

    And: selecting Mike Pence for VP wasn’t pandering?

  14. Ed notes that Trump’s

    views on almost every subject seem very malleable, so there is hope.

    I hold to that same hope as well–but I don’t think Trump himself is the worry, it’s the dark, mindless, reactionary impulses of many (by no means all) of his supporters which he has unleashed. In that regard, the closest parallel I can think of is with Joseph McCarthy, who had no compunction about blatantly lying (the document he waved as a list of 205–later amended to 57–names of “Communists in the State Department” was actually his laundry list, his wartime service was behind a desk and not, as he claimed, as a “tail-gunner”, &c.); the damage was wrought by the believers in those lies.

    And look what our fact-free election campaigning has brought us in 2016? In the years 2009-2015, the Obama administration deported some 2.5 million illegal migrants, chiefly on the grounds they possessed criminal records (source: US Homeland Security. That is more than any other administration, ever, and doesn’t include the stats for 2016. Which all sounds well and good. But Trump–now pledging to deport “two, maybe three” million is perceived by his devotees as the tough guy who is finally going to take some action on the issue. Well, if that makes folks feel better, then so be it. What is truth compared to feeling good?

    The biggest danger IMHO is what happens when awkward truth manages to intrude. In the Brexit campaign in the UK, the Leave camp loudly and repeatedly claimed “We Send the EU £50 Million a Day — Let’s Fund our NHS Instead. And it was repeatedly challenged by the Remain camp, but it was only on the morning that the referendum result was announced that Nigel Farage admitted the claim was a mistake.

    So the lesson for Creationists is surely: your lies need to be even bigger!

  15. And this is where the Vice-President comes into play, Mega.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

  16. @mnbo
    People will continue to believe despite seeing the truth for themselves. It seems to be that when confronted with undeniable truth, the reaction is often to cling more closely to the lie.

  17. Charles Deetz ;)

    The cutest creationist pastor needs to move his videos from getting posted at WND to the state-sponsored crazy news site and the voice of Trump Truth, Breitbart.

  18. All creationists have to do is have President Trump ask the evolutionary biologists how to test the claims of their position- for example how can they test the claim that natural selection and drift produced biological structures such as ATP synthase or any bacterial flagellum. And once President Trump sees that they cannot provide an honest answer he will understand their claims are not scientific.

  19. Whoops- and by doing that it will open the door for creationism to slide in

  20. “…his election hasn’t caused any jubilation among creationists or theocrats. He never pandered to them…”

    Double what Megalonyx said about this, especially picking Pence as VP. That move was probably the deciding factor in his winning the Electoral College vote.

    Oh — and then there’s The Donald’s “Two Corinthians”.

    Sounds like a joke — “Two Corinthians walk into a bar…”
    (The bartender looks up and says, “What is this? Some kind of political campaign?”)

  21. Curmy, you are definitely too easy on Trump. He came to power not on the strength of his ideas, but rather on the strength of his appeal to the prejudices and fears of his audience. He is the very definition of “demagogue”. That alone should cause all thoughtful citizens to despise the man.

    As if to prove the point, he chose Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

  22. @retiredsciguy

    As if to prove the point, he chose Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

    That’s jus’ one o’ those goofy things that good ol’ Donald’s done . . .