ICR Proves You Can Trust the Bible

In this one post we will discuss two different items from the creation scientists at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom. Neither alone is worth our time, but the two of them — well, you can decide for yourself.

The first is There’s Nothing Like an Eyewitness, written by James J. S. Johnson, J.D., Th.D. He has two middle initials, which is very classy, and he not only has a law degree, but he’s also a Doctor of Theology. He’s described at the end as “Associate Professor of Apologetics and Chief Academic Officer at the Institute for Creation Research.” Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

After the fact, historic causes routinely leave behind physical effects, often with observable characteristics such as fingerprints, tire-tread impressions, or DNA. These can provide reliable inferences about what occurred at a specific location and time. However, for complete accuracy, there is nothing like a reliable eyewitness.

[*Groan*] It’s common knowledge that testimony from eyewitnesses is often the least reliable evidence — because of bias, unreliable memory, and other personal failings. Wikipedia has an article on the unreliability of Eyewitness testimony.

Most of Johnson’s post is about someone’s memory of the long ago sinking of a German battleship. Nice story, but we’ll skip it. Right near the end he gets around to creationism, and says:

But what about the mixture of marine animals and dinosaur remains? How would land-based reptiles get buried in the same (later hardened) mud layers as squid, shrimp, mussels, lobsters, scallops, oysters, clams, sturgeon, flounder, herring, and orange roughy fish? Can we know anything about what caused these physical effects?

He provides the answer in his final paragraph:

In a word, yes — but only if we rely on Genesis 6–9, the inerrant report given by the global Flood’s perfectly reliable eyewitness, God Himself. He inspired Genesis, and we hear Him clearly say throughout the Genesis narrative, “I know. I was there.”

That was the first ICR article. The second is Who Wrote the Bible?, by Brian Thomas, usually described at the end of his articles as “Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.” If you want to know more about him, see The Mind of Brian Thomas. His new article begins with this:

I recently encountered a young man with no confidence in the Bible. His high school teacher taught him that a cluster of Catholic clergy cobbled the Scriptures together long after the events they describe — events like the Lord Jesus rising from the dead and the apostles traveling the world to proclaim His resurrection. Was his teacher right?

The teacher may have been referring to the Development of the Christian biblical canon, which did involve a lot of text selection and rejection, but Brian never mentions that. Instead he says:

The Dead Sea Scrolls rank near the top of a long list of Bible-confirming archaeological discoveries. … When compared with modern texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls reveal virtually no differences after 2,000 years of Bible transmission. The few spelling changes and such did not alter the basic content of any verse. This disproves false stories about church authorities who supposedly sullied Scripture in its collection or transmission.

According to Wikipedia’s article on the Dead Sea Scrolls, some are Old Testament verses, most are writings not in the bible at all, and none are from the New Testament. They indicate that scribes faithfully copied earlier texts; but we don’t see any reference to the author of the original texts.

Brian continues:

Another archaeological discovery also confirms biblical integrity. Archaeologists recovered third-century scrolls from Ein Gedi, Israel, in 1970.

Wikipedia has a write up on the En-Gedi Scroll, which says:

The En-Gedi scroll is an ancient and fragile parchment found in 1970 at Ein Gedi, Israel. It contains a portion of the Biblical book of Leviticus. It is significant as one of the oldest portions of the Bible in existence, and showing an important stage in the development of Hebrew scripture.

Here’s what Brian tells us about it:

Emmanuel Tov from the Hebrew University co-authored a technical report on the scroll scans. He told the Associated Press that the words were “100 percent identical” to the Hebrew book of Leviticus used today for Bible translations. “This is quite amazing for us. In 2,000 years, this text has not changed.”

Once again, we see that scribes took their work seriously. But we still see nothing about the author of the original text. This is Brian’s final paragraph:

Did humans write the Bible’s words? Yes, but not apart from God. Those “holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” And His faithful servants have been meticulously copying those exact words ever since.

So there you are, dear reader. Now you have the answer to Brian’s title question: “Who Wrote the Bible?” Well, you have Brian’s answer.

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19 responses to “ICR Proves You Can Trust the Bible

  1. So, God wrote Genesis? Where do these people get these ideas?

  2. Charles Deetz ;)

    Steve, he admits that people wrote Genesis, but somehow what they wrote is exactly what god told them to write. How one proves what they wrote is what god told them to write is beyond me.

  3. “Did humans write the Bible’s words? Yes, but not apart from God.”
    And how exactly is this confirmed by the archeological evidence presented?

  4. “I know. I was there.”
    Where does it say that in the Bible?

  5. mnbo
    They are exact copies of the original, ergo forgeries.
    Criminals regularly employ forgers.
    God is the greatest at everything, ergo god must be the best criminal and employ the best forgers.
    If god didn’t instruct them, there would be discrepancies.
    Q.E.D

    That was easy.

  6. I’d like to say I misspelled discrepancies on purpose to make my point, but….

    [*Voice from above*] All is as it should be.

  7. michaelfugate

    Emmanuel College of Christian Studies, Cambridge Graduate School is at
    112 San Jose Drive, Springdale, Arkansas 72764-2538 and is a modest ranch-style house in a subdivision owned by its president Gene Jeffries. The website http://www.emmanuelcollege.com no longer exists – notice that it wasn’t .edu.

  8. Does he say *where* you find a mixture of dinosaur and marine remains?
    While possible, it is not always the case. No marine remains evident at Dinosaur National Monument!

  9. michaelfugate

    There are several ways dinosaurs could be found in marine sediments. They could die near a stream and be washed out to sea. They could feed in coastal environments.

  10. KeithB, it’s not a “mixture,” but you will find dinosaurs and marine mammal remains side-by-side in a lot of areas in the American and Canadian Midwest – erosion tears the ground down to the level of dinosaur remains, then fills back in with more modern sediment containing marine mammals. They’re from conspicuously different types of rock and conspicuously different ages, naturally, but there’s a common creationist canard that geologists see the layers of the Earth as being applied much like the layers on a candy jawbreaker.

  11. michaelfugate

    What is comic is the attempt to make some home bible study course appear as if it were from here. As if Springdale Arkansas morphed into Cambridge UK. It is like the DI renting space at or near a university and hoping no one will notice.

  12. “I know. I was there.”

    Verily, “I was there” when I slowly drowned all those men, women, children and unborn fetuses. “I was there” and took great pains and great pleasure in killing all flora and fauna over the face of the earth. Indeed, “I know. I was there.” killed every one.

  13. michaelfugate

    Going back to read the “mind” of Brian Thomas…

    “Wow,” said Lilly. That was just about all she could say. “Wow.”

    It is interesting that he claims to have been an “evolutionist” yet knew nothing about evolution and if he read Henry Morris he still wouldn’t.

  14. @michaelfugate
    I would note that there are a few towns in the USA which are named after Oxford, Cambridge and Athens, and have an educational institution.

    On another point, one of the favorite topics of fundamentalists is how they have converted from a life of sin, like evillusion. It seems to impress their audience. It reminds me of the newbie who starts off with “I am an evolutionist, but I couldn’t think of an answer to the creationist …”

  15. michaelfugate

    TomS, but they didn’t name the college the same name. It is not like Cambridge MA has a Cambridge U with Cambridge U college names – it is Harvard. Oxford MS has the University of Mississippi not Oxford U. It is hubristically comical.

  16. An argument that could be used to convince Christians (or other religious fundamentalists) to look to nature for an understanding of the Earth’s and the universe’s history is this:

    They readily admit that man’s hand wrote the Bible, although according to their faith the writers were inspired by God.

    They state unequivocally, however, that the Earth and the entire universe was God’s work alone — man had absolutely no hand in the formation of the universe.

    So, which evidence is more robust — what we see in nature, which is God’s work alone, or what we read in the Bible, which may contain errors caused by man’s possible misunderstandings of God’s inspiration?

  17. Oxford, Ohio has Miami University; Athens, Ohio has the University of Ohio.

    The towns grew up around the colleges after the schools were already established. The names of the towns were most likely chosen because they were seen as fitting for a seat of higher learning.

    Emmanuel College of Christian Studies, Cambridge Graduate School, on the other hand, chose its name to make it seem like an institution of higher learning. It’s a ruse that doesn’t work so well any more since the advent of Google Earth Street View.

    Likewise, we see that David Rives Ministries is in an abandoned gas station along I-65 in rural Tennessee, and The Discovery Institute (the seat of Intelligent Design) is situated in a couple of offices above a gym in a seedy part of Seattle.

    Perhaps that’s why so many “institutions” that are trying to impress now list only a P.O. box as an address, or just a website.

  18. And remember the University of Ediacara …

  19. “But what about the mixture of marine animals and dinosaur remains? How would land-based reptiles get buried in the same (later hardened) mud layers as squid, shrimp, mussels, lobsters, scallops, oysters, clams, sturgeon, flounder, herring, and orange roughy fish?”

    Actually the lack of such deposits with marine and terrestrial creatures mixed together is one of the great embarrassments of the Flood. Most creationists are savvy enough to avoid the topic.