Rev. David Rives — Not Enough People

The creationists seem to be all on vacation or something. We can’t imagine where they go. It’s a bit risky to visit the ruins of ancient Babylon, the source of their scientific knowledge, so maybe they’re gathered at Stonehenge to renew their faith. Wherever they are and whatever they’re up to, it’s been difficult to find good stuff to blog about.

But just when everything seemed hopeless, the Drool-o-tron™ alerted us with its sirens and flashing lights. The blinking letters of its wall display said WorldNetDaily (WND). The Drool-o-tron™ had found the latest video by the brilliant and articulate leader of David Rives Ministries.

Our computer was locked onto this headline at WND: Does human population growth reject evolution? The actual title of the rev’s video is “Human Population.”

The rev begins by telling us that at a modest rate of population increase of only .01% (per year, presumably), the population would double every 7,000 years — instead of doubling every 39 years as it does today. Using that low rate, after a million of years there should be 1043 humans alive today. But we don’t have anywhere near that number, nor do we see any evidence of those numbers in the fossil record.

The scientific evidence confirms what the bible tells us. The world started only 6,000 years ago. And with only the few people who survived the Flood, today’s population makes sense. That proves the bible is true.

The rev is still wearing the same gray bible-boy suit he’s been wearing for the last month, and still without a necktie. Who cares? He’s the cutest rev you’ve ever seen! This video is about two and a half minutes long before the commercial at the end. Go ahead, click over to WND and watch it.

As we always do with the rev’s videos, we dedicate the comments section for your use as an Intellectual Free Fire Zone. You know the rules. Okay, the comments are open. Go for it!

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13 responses to “Rev. David Rives — Not Enough People

  1. Unfortunately, to respond to this argument requires mathematics almost to the depth of middle-school pre-algebra, which will turn off most people.
    But the Bible does give us some numbers to work with. Of course, there is the standard chronologies, and there are the 8 people in the Ark, there are the 70 members of the family of Jacob who migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46:27) and the 603,550 warriors of Israelites who were in the exodus from Egypt (Numbers 1:48). Those give some parameters on population growth.

  2. The Good Rev doesn’t take his argument far enough. The population of Rome dropped from about one million in 400 CE to about 20 000 in 600 CE. If that doesn’t refute Evolution Theory nothing does.
    Oh wait …..

  3. Derek Freyberg

    Our Curmudgeon asks where the creationists are: perhaps at the newly discovered Stonehenge in Brazil (actually discovered in the 1990s, but still being explored – see today’s New York Times, or perhaps also in your local paper as it is in mine).

  4. Has the Rev. allowed for the absence of the baculum in humans when calculating rates of population growth?

  5. Following up on TomS:
    It is fun to calculate how many people were around to build the pyramids given Rev. Rives chronology.

  6. In total it is estimated that a 106 billion human beings, or what we recognize as human, i.e. homo sapiens, have lived and died on this planet. The Reverend’s calculations don’t even pass as a back of a napkin calculation since he didn’t address fertility and mortality rates. Beyond dumb but maybe enough to convince the rubes.

  7. There is a Wikipedia article “Amazon Stonehenge”.

  8. Ceteris Paribus

    Appears that the good Rev. Rives has acquired a bad case of innumerancy as a consequence of his fascination for the inerrancy he so adores in his bible book.
    Look at the Graph:>
    Seems to be that world population was quite stable until the end of the last ice age. Too bad that a few clever hominids hit on the idea of agriculture, which provided food enough for a noticeable population increase over hunter-gatherer times. And that allowed enough spare time for some of them to invent the Enlightenment. Which produced the germ theory of disease, leading to the huge spike in population which now permits even fundamentalist clerics to go around proclaiming all kinds of nefarious weird nonsense.

  9. Before the invention of agriculture, populations expanded slowly due to diseases, probable high infant mortality, predation, tribal wars and other conflicts, and the uncertain food availability inherent in hunting and gathering. After the development of agriculture, cities, and organized societies, populations increased more rapidly but were still limited by wars, disease, and occasional agricultural collapses due to droughts, floods, etc.

    It was only after the enlightenment that populations began to expand at current rates.

    So Rives’ idea that modern population levels can only be explained by starting 6,000 years ago is not entirely crazy – just mostly crazy. 6,000 years ago was after the advent of agriculture, but still in it’s early restricted form. Prior to the widespread adoption of agriculture, the number of humans on the planet was probably consistent with the populations of other large primates and/or top predators.

  10. One of the problems that I see in many of the creationist arguments against evolution is that creationism is subject to the same argument.
    For example, if one takes a simple assumption that population increases by a fixed percent per annum: Yes, it is difficult to have a plausible population curve over hundreds of thousands of years. But it is also difficult for a curve over less than ten thousand years, starting with 2 (Adam and Eve) or 8 (Noah’s family).
    Compound interest works its magic over many generations. Only zero growth – or variations – is stable over the long term.

  11. When I was teaching pre-calculus to a group of adults who tended to not question anything, and that I had been warned included some creationists, we estimated how many people were available to build the pyramids, assuming steady population growth from Adam and Eve. We made rough estimates of the proportion of the world population in Egypt at the time, the number of adult males, etc. I think we concluded they had been built by 78 people. No-one said anything but there were some thoughtful expressions and I commented that at least one of the assumptions must have been wrong.

  12. @Bwbach: If you could recall the math and assumptions to re-do the calculations, this sounds like an excellent argument to use against YEC. And don’t forget — creationists themselves admit there wasn’t steady population growth since Adam & Eve — they insist on the Flood killing all but Noah’s family. Ken Ham can fill you in on the details of when that happened.

  13. ISTM that one could make a simple app to demonstrate the difficulty of the population growth on YEC assumptions. We have the numbers given in the Bible and the dates given in the Bible, and we can ask for estimates for population numbers for ancient civilizations, for example, how many people did it take to build the Tower of Babel or the Pyramids.
    This would ease the burden of actually doing some simple math.