ICR and AIG on the Discovery of New Planets

This is even better than we hoped. Two days ago we wrote Klinghoffer Dismisses Latest Planet Discoveries, in which we described the NASA discovery of seven Earth-sized planets orbiting the dwarf star TRAPPIST-1, three of which orbit in the star’s habitable zone where they could have water and possibly life.

As you know, this is the sort of godless science discovery that gives creationists nightmares. Regardless of what scientists actually discover, creationists insist that the scientists are wrong — totally wrong — because they are confused by their naturalist assumptions, or perverted by their sinful nature. Creationists know that a perfect planet like ours, and a splendid species like us cannot naturally exist. Therefore they declare:

• Earth was uniquely created as the special home of a special species — our wonderful selves
• We were created (not evolved!) by and in the image of Yahweh (for litigation purposes called the intelligent designer) — blessed be he!

We’ve already written about the Discoveroids’ reaction to the news of the discovery. Klinghoffer declared: “However, everything else we do know indicates that life can’t and won’t originate and evolve without intelligent design.” Very persuasive!

Today we have responses from two more creationist outfits. First, we have the reaction of the creation scientists at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom. Their headline is Seven Earth-size Planets Discovered.

It was written by Frank Sherwin, M.A. (Note that he touts his Master’s degree.) At the end of the article he’s described as “Research Associate, Senior Lecturer, and Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.” This is his writeup at the Encyclopedia of American Loons. ICR has a bio page on the guy: Frank Sherwin. Here are some excerpts from Sherwin’s post, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

Secular scientists are excited about the recent detection of seven Earth-size planets in the constellation Aquarius, a nearby solar system. According to the report, three of the planets orbit a parent star, called TRAPPIST-1, at a distance that would allow water to exist on their surface.

Many evolutionists are giddy with the suggestion that life on one or more of these planets is just around the corner. But this wholly unwarranted extrapolation lies far beyond the known facts. Just because a planet may be positioned for surface water to exist doesn’t mean water is there. Even if liquid water is present does not mean complex organic life is even remotely possible. Evolutionists know the serious biochemical problems of getting life to arise spontaneously from an aquatic environment. Water’s structure causes interfering side reactions that would prevent, not promote, the simplistic “just add water” idea of life’s origin. In addition, spontaneous-forming molecules could never put themselves together to produce a living cell; such an event requires purpose, plan, and special creation. Such an event is nothing less than miraculous.

Impressive, huh? Then Sherwin says:

The philosophy of naturalism is seen in the scientists’ appeal to deep evolutionary time: “TRAPPIST-1 is at least 500 million years old,” and “it will live for another 10 trillion years,” and a convenient exit if life is not found, “Even if the planets do not have life now, it could evolve.” Throughout the article words such as “could,” “believed,” “prospect,” “hope,” “maybe,” “possible,” and “even if” appear. This is wishful speculation, not empirical science.

That’s essentially the same reaction as Klinghoffer’s, which isn’t very surprising, considering that they’re both creationists.

After that, we have the reaction from Answers in Genesis (AIG) — the creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia. Their title is Discovery of 7 Earth-Sized Planets Orbiting Star TRAPPIST-1. It was written by one of ol’ Hambo’s creation scientists — Danny Faulkner. Here’s AIG’s biographical information about him. They say he taught physics and astronomy until he joined AIG. His undergraduate degree is from Bob Jones University.

After describing the discovery, and emphasizing that as yet we know little about conditions on the planets in the TRAPPIST system, Danny says, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

The team found that three of the seven planets, e, f, and g, lie in the habitable zone of their star. Planet f has the least uncertainty in its density, but it also has the lowest density, 60% of earth. It is not clear if this planet has enough gravity to maintain an atmosphere proper for life. The masses and densities of the other two planets have much higher uncertainties, so it is unclear whether they have the proper composition.

In other words, nothing definite is known — at least not yet — so creationists aren’t worried. Not much, anyway. Moving along:

There have been many extrasolar planets touted as being “earth-like.” As always is the case, the details indicate that the conclusion is far less certain than most people realize. This is the case of the most recent announcement of three earth-like planets orbiting TRAPPIST-1. Several assumptions must be true for any of these planets truly to be earth-like, and there are reasons to believe that, like the others, there is far less here than thought. As far as we know for certain, there are no earth-like planets.

Hooray! Then he says:

A different analysis indicated a 25% chance of the planetary system undergoing disruption within a million years, and only an 8.1% chance of surviving a billion years. According to the evolutionary timeframe, it took three billion years for higher life to develop on earth, so these results are a serious problem for the possibility of life on the planets orbiting TRAPPIST-1.

Danny’s final sentence is a real zinger. He tells us:

Or perhaps it is evidence that this system is not very old at all.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Still more evidence for the recent creation of the universe — if one ignores all the contrary evidence.

So there you are, dear reader. The big three creationist websites are unanimous. The discovery of seven Earth-sized planets orbiting the dwarf star TRAPPIST-1 doesn’t do a thing to strengthen the view of those wicked Darwinists. All the evidence supports creationism. It always has; it always will. Oh yeah!

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22 responses to “ICR and AIG on the Discovery of New Planets

  1. Secular scientists are excited about the recent detection of seven Earth-size planets in the constellation Aquarius, a nearby solar system.

    . . . and I’d be more impressed by Sherwin’s science if he knew the difference between a constellation and a solar system . . .

  2. In addition, spontaneous-forming molecules could never put themselves together to produce a living cell; such an event requires purpose, plan, and special creation. Such an event is nothing less than miraculous.

    *Heavy sigh* And these folks talk abut “Darwinism” as dogma-laden? Flat statements like this one aren’t proof, or even evidence, of anything.

  3. Michael Fugate

    “Higher” life is not any life. Nice slight of hand Danny, boy.

  4. We know that there can’t be life on other planets because if sentience develops, Jesus would have to go there and die for them and we all know that Jesus isn’t a Klingon.

  5. we all know that Jesus isn’t a Klingon

    Were you there?

  6. The most amazing part of this discovery is that even a very small star can have several planets of similar size to the earth. It’s hard to imagine how these planets could have formed so close together and settle into stable orbits. But there they are.

    Creationists better get used to writing their denials, because exoplanets-planet discoveries are only going to become more and more frequent in the years to come. Soon, we may even read about the results from investigations into the atmospheres of exoplanets. I wonder if creationists have thought about how they will respond to an announcement of an atmosphere with significant oxygen.

    Exoplanets are becoming so common, that the table of nearby stars on Wikipedia has a column describing the number of suspected planets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs By my count, 15 of the 56 nearest systems have known or suspected planets. That number is bound to increase.

  7. Why is it that typos are only visible after hitting the “post comment” button?

  8. “Secular scientists…”

    The amount of ignorance and dishonesty contained in that phrase is breathtaking, although not surprising.

  9. @Ken Phelps,

    Creation scientists have to distinguish themselves somehow! How else would you have them signal to their drooling readers the difference between Godly creationism and Satanic evilutionism? Secular = Satanic, evil, godless, father of all lies, etc. In the creationism world, ethos is everything. Logos is for those hell-bound (sneer it with me now) “SEC-U-LAR-ISTS.” Boo! Hiss!

  10. Well, the Creos ARE partly right. We don`t know if there is life on other planets. If abiogenesis is a common process statistically, they will be wrong. If it is a highly unlikely process, we could be alone. Anyone like to venture the odds of another than carbon-based popping up?

  11. You shouldn’t waste your time with such “creationist clowns” that not only are in denial of reality, but are also in denial of the truth of Genesis. When Yehovah (God) created our universe nearly 5 billion years ago, on the Fourth Day of Creation Week He created other galaxies, star systems, and planets that mankind was to explore and populate.

    Yes, mankind has had his origins on Earth, but his habitat is this whole universe. There was not supposed to be any death, therefore it was intended for mankind to venture out into outer space. In fact, original mankind and maybe two advents after that did so.

    Modern mankind is the sixth advent of man on Earth, which creationists and evolutionists are in denial of. Genesis 1:26 tells of the the third advent (2nd week of restoration), which came after the era of the dinosaurs. Adam and Eve are of the sixth advent, created during the fifth week of restoration, which occurred after the Ice Age. That’s why chapters 1 and 2 have a different sequence of events. When you accept the truth of Genesis, you learn the true history of life on Earth.

    Herman Cummings
    ephraim7@aol.com

  12. Hey, everybody — Herman Cummings is back!

  13. @Ross Cameron
    My guess is that we will discover something that is so different from anything that we’ve seen before that we won’t know whether to call it life.

  14. @Herman Cummings

    Golly! Are you for real?

    @TomS

    That’s my guess too.

  15. Has Guillermo Gonzalez weighed in? If so, has anyone asked him if he agrees with Ham on the age of the “privileged planet”?

  16. Holding The Line In Florida

    Herman is back! It has been a long time since we have had the benefits learning from a true seeker! “We are not worthy, we are not worthy!!!” Laissez le bon temps rouler and the true enlightenment begin! Whoohoo!

  17. @Herman Cummings: More, please, more!

  18. I tremble to quibble at the words of our beloved host, but, “We were created (not evolved!) by and in the image of Yahweh” is inaccurate. “In the image of God” is in the first Genesis creation myth, and God is Elohim, not the LORD, ie JHVH.

  19. It is a mistake to call any of the first two chapters of Genesis “accounts of Creation”. They are not. The seven era narrative shown to Moses was concerning the seven periods of time that Yehovah was revealing to Moses, on Mt. Sinai, in 1598 BC. It was one day each, taken from seven different weeks, which were the first week of the seven eras. The first was Creation Week, represented by the Fourth Day, followed by six Restoration Weeks.

    Five of the periods are from the ancient past. One is of our own period (second day), and one is of a future period (third day, feast of Tabernacles), when Yeshua will dwell on Earth and rule all the universe from the New Jerusalem. Starting with Passover (Wednesday), the 24-hr days follow
    the sequence of the seven Feasts of the Lord, given to Israel.

    The second chapter of Genesis begins the history of modern man, which began in 7,200 BC. Therefore, any creationist that claims that the dinosaurs and dimetrodons died in Noah’s flood (2611 BC) is a clown.

    Herman Cummings
    ephraim7@aol.com

  20. “Many evolutionists are giddy with the suggestion that life on one or more of these planets is just around the corner. But this wholly unwarranted extrapolation lies far beyond the known facts. Just because a planet may be positioned for surface water to exist doesn’t mean water is there.”

    Does Sherwin see the irony in his own words? God/creator/intelligent designer is a “wholly unwarranted extrapolation that lies far beyond the known facts”.

  21. @Matt
    God or any infinite, omni-potent, -scient, eternal,unique, transcendent, beyond all comparison is far, infinitely far, beyond any mere finite facts.

  22. Herman Cummings kindly gives us the quote of the year:

    any creationist that claims that the dinosaurs and dimetrodons died in Noah’s flood (2611 BC) is a clown

    Although only the first two words, immediately followed by the last three, would be more succinct–and more accurate.