Creationist Wisdom #753: Science in the Bible

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Chronicle Herald, of Halifax, Nova Scotia. It’s titled The Bible is not just a story. The newspaper doesn’t have a comments section.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Rob. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

In response to the letter to the editor, “Science tells us how, not why,” in the March 2 edition of the Valley Harvester, I wish to describe how science makes scientific theories and laws.

Rob is referring to the second letter here, which says, among other things:

What science does is tell you how it happened. It does not try and tell you why. … Unfortunately, we have hundreds of creation stories from various religions that date back to ancient myths. There is a creation story in the Bible, written by the Levitical priesthood, about the origins according to the Hebrew tribal creator. So the question is, “Why believe this creation story and discard all the other creation stories?” Maybe the answer is that it is just a story.

Rob disagrees. He gives a fair description of the scientific method, and then shows that he doesn’t understand it:

In order to observe, we have to see the event occur. We are told that science has explained how the universe came into being, but no one has ever observed the event. It is not a repeatable event. No one has ever created another universe, therefore it cannot be experimented on.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No, we don’t need to literally see past events occur. It’s sufficient to describe the causes — which can be observed today — and hypothesize that the same causes produced the same consequences in the past. For example, we see that islands can result from volcanic activity in the ocean, and we can be confident that the Hawaiian island chain is the result of past volcanic activity, although we weren’t there to see it happen, nor do we need to re-create those islands again. Rob continues:

The age of the Earth cannot be proven by science because no one has been alive since the beginning of Earth. Fossils cannot tell us that man evolved from apes, because no one has ever witnessed the transformation of an ape to man. No one has ever witnessed a creature from one animal family evolve to an animal of another family. No one has ever seen a fish turn into a lizard, a dinosaur turn into a bird, a monkey evolve into a human, etc.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No one has ever even suggested that one day an individual ape transformed into a man, or a dinosaur into a bird, etc. Only the most ignorant creationist thinks that evolution involves such Dracula-like “transformations.” Let’s read on:

The Bible has mentioned scientific discoveries before they were discovered.

Rob conveniently ignores all the flat-Earth and other nonsense in the bible. Instead he gives us a list of wondrous scientific revelations in scripture. We’ll take them one at a time:

Job 36:27-28, Ecclesiastes 1:7, and Amos 5:8 mentioned that the water cycle keeps the land watered 1,400 years before it was discovered by men.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! See Rev. David Rives — Water Cycle in the Bible. It was also mentioned in Creationist Wisdom #435: Science in the Bible. Here’s another bit of bible science from Rob:

Job 26:7 mentioned that the Earth is suspended in space 3,600 years before man discovered it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Creationists are always eager to quote that one, but it’s completely misunderstood — see Rev. David Rives: Science in the Bible. Here’s Rob’s next scriptural science revelation

Psalm 8:8 mentioned ocean currents flow through the sea 2,850 [years?] before man discovered that fact.

Ocean currents in the bible? We’ll let you think about that one, dear reader. Here’s where Rob finds it — Psalm 8:8, King James version, of course:

The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

This is the last scientific revelation in Rob’s letter:

Isaiah 51:6 and Psalm 102:25-26 mentioned that the universe is running down 2,500 years before man discovered that.

What’s he talking about — entropy? Here’s the scripture Rob cites. See what you make of it:

Isaiah 51:6: Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Psalm 102:25: Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

26: They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

Wowie — that was an ark-load of science! And now we come to the end:

All of this just to conclude that the Bible is not just a story, but a book full of facts. In the end, what we believe about science and the Bible is based on faith. Faith is the substance, or knowledge, of things hoped for, and the evidence of things that we cannot see, or observe for science.

We’re accustomed to the creationist practice of quote-mining — plucking things out of context to claim that they say things they clearly don’t say — but we never realized where they learned to do that. Now, suddenly, we understand.

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9 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #753: Science in the Bible

  1. THIS…. is why Ken Ham, AIG, and their B.S. “Observational Science” rhetoric should be shutdown as a menace to society. They are confusing the gullible Dunning-Krugers of the country….who all have the right to vote.

  2. Rob proclaims

    In order to observe, we have to see the event occur.

    IOW: The ultimate solipsist’s charter.

    I don’t know anyone who saw the American Civil War or the English Wars of the Roses occur ergo they didn’t.

  3. “Job 26:7 mentioned that the Earth is suspended in space 3,600 years before man discovered it.”
    Yes, when Job went on his expeditions he noticed it was the big, thick string holding up the Earth from the North Pole. Proof positive! However, the year estimate given by Rob is questionable.

  4. It isn’t only the Bible that has been used this way. Also the Quran and the Hindu scriptures – see “scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts” in Wikipedia.

  5. To repeat his BS right back…you say the buyBull is true? How do you know “WHERE YOU THERE!!!!” See anyone can talk like an idiot!

  6. SC:
    “For example, we see that islands can result from volcanic activity in the ocean, and we can be confident that the Hawaiian island chain is the result of past volcanic activity, although we weren’t there to see it happen, nor do we need to re-create those islands again.”

    …and the older (more westerly) Hawaiian islands are made of the same volcanic rock (basalt) that we see flowing from present-day volcanic activity creating new land on the island of Hawaii. Furthermore, contrary to the false claims of creationists, we can accurately date those and all other igneous rocks found on Earth, the Moon, Mars, meteorites, etc. by various different radiometric means — and all the oldest cluster around 4.6 billion years old.
    Logical conclusion — the Earth and the Solar System are 4.6 billion years old. One need not be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out.

    If creationists demand eye-witness accounts, they’d sure make lousy jurors.

  7. Michael Fugate

    Can you imagine jurors taunting a prosecuting attorney with “Were you there, Were you there”?

  8. “Elementary, Holmes? Where you there?”

  9. Ross Cameron

    Toss out all crime, murders, rapes, robberies, if we weren`t there to observe. Juvenile reasoning at best. Deluded at worst.

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