Turkey Bans Evolution, Discoveroids React

By now you’ve heard the news from Turkey. There’s a write-up on it by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE): Evolution nixed in Turkey. They say:

“Darwin’s theory of evolution has been excluded from the most recent draft of Turkey’s new national curriculum,” reports the Hurriyet Daily News (June 22, 2017). … A representative of the Education Ministry was quoted by the Hurriyet Daily News as describing evolution and the origin of life as both too difficult for ninth-grade students and as “controversial.”

We didn’t blog about it because it’s not surprising that a country in that part of the world opposes evolution. But there seems to be some concern at the Discovery Institute. This just popped up at their creationist blog: Evolution Out of the Curriculum? If So, a Bad Idea from Turkey.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! A creationist outfit thinks banning evolution is a “bad idea”? They wouldn’t lie to us, would they?

The post was written by David Klinghoffer, a Discoveroid “senior fellow” (i.e., flaming, full-blown creationist), who eagerly functions as their journalistic slasher and poo flinger. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

Color us just a bit skeptical about news reports that Turkey will eliminate evolution from its official 9th grade curriculum. If true, though, it is of course a terrible idea.

Perhaps we’re too cynical, but what creationist thinks banning evolution is “a terrible idea”? They dream of achieving the power to do exactly that. It’s not very different from what Tennessee tried to do, which resulted in the Scopes Trial. So why isn’t Klinghoffer cheering for Turkey?

Let’s not forget, the Discoveroids realize that we have separation of church and state in the US, so they’re compelled to be stealth creationists who pretend that their Oogity Boogity is a “theory” that should be in the schools along with evolution. They can’t cheer for Turkey because they fear it would reveal their true motives.

After a big excerpt from a news story, Klinghoffer says:

News like this filtered through the Western media can’t necessarily be taken at face value. That having been said, the fact that evolution is both important and “controversial” is one reason we strongly favor teaching it thoroughly [Hee hee!] in high school biology classes, with due attention to objective scientific evidence and arguments for and against the theory. [Hee hee!] Critically evaluating scientific theories is what responsible scientists do, and with care and thoughtfulness, instructors can help students do the same.

[*Begin Drool Mode*] Ooooooooooooh! [*End Drool Mode*] The Discoveroids are so reasonable! After that he tells us:

If Turkey’s motivation is religious, on the other hand, as the news suggests, then concealing evolution is also very ill advised. The move to hide the idea from high school students smacks of a cover up that raises questions about the ability of one’s faith to stand up to challenges.

Rubbish! It’s not about how persuasive the religion is. It’s all about power — which creationists crave. Klinghoffer finishes his rambling post with this:

The Turkish move – again, if it genuinely comes to that – will benefit no one other than Western atheist activists, including Richard Dawkins and his Center for Inquiry, who quickly seized on the news as red meat for their followers.

What did he say? What was he trying to say? If you can figure it out, dear reader, let us know.

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11 responses to “Turkey Bans Evolution, Discoveroids React

  1. davidambrose

    That Turkey has done this, actually that ‘sultan’ Erdogan has done so is not a huge surprise if you follow the news of that area, even if you just check on news from Turkey every now and then.
    Since the supposed coup last year the new sultan seems to be grabbing as much power for himself as possible.
    I do see the klinkle-klapper as a true hypocrite with his post on this matter though. Well, in my personal opinion, fundies of every religion tend to be quite hypocritical. Yeah, I am very cynical and sarcastic. Must be partly from my ‘school’ days at the University of Science, Music, and Culture (USMC),just my 2 cents worth. Adjusted for inflation, valued now at $0.000013742

  2. Ceteris Paribus

    Klinghoffer is clever – he knows that his paycheck gets bigger in proportion to the ruckus he and his Creationist pals can gin up for their audience. Same ploy as the old “World Wide Wrestling” matches, which requires a bad guy and a hero guy in the ring at the same time, or they have to find new jobs.

    Klinghoffer probably stays up late at nite, figuring out new ways to restore the grandeur of the William Jennings Bryan vs Claranece Darrow debates.

  3. Isn’t Erdogan Trump’s good buddy? Nothing like a new Dark Ages.

  4. davidambrose

    Who is a good buddy of Trump seems to change with whatever direction the breeze is blowing at the moment. It did seem for a time that the Donald and ‘sultan’ Erdogan were pals. Not so sure they still are.

  5. I take Klinghoffer at his word here, and do not charge him with hypocrisy; Turkey’s move here is indeed “a bad idea” from the DiscoTute’s point of view.

    And that’s because their entire schtick is their hysterical attack on science and dissing Darwin, with absolutely nothing of any substance to put in its place. Take away the teaching of science in schools, and they’ve got nothing. There’d be no further need for egregious quote-mining of scientific papers, no more ‘No Darwin No Hitler’ screeds, no more ‘We’re horribly persecuted by the Darwinist Thought Police’ rants, &c &c. In other words, they’d have nothing.

    Instead, it would be a return to that Golden Age before 1859–and a full return to a fractured world of fighting about the claims of whose God can beat your God up. And without the glue of shared reality-denying about science, all the crazy factions in what is the Creationists’ broad tent would soon set upon one another, as each believes it uniquely possesses The TRVTH.

    If they ever banned the teaching of evolution in American schools, the DiscoTute would be gone within six months.

  6. So now those “good Christian schools” that deny evolution will be just like the Muslims. It will be interesting to hear what Ken Ham has to say about that.

    As for Klinker and the Discotooters, I agree with CP and Megx above — if there’s no evolution, there’s no need for “intelligent design”.

  7. A person can have no interest in, or not notice any pattern in the world of life. Such a person will not accept evolutionary explanations. But there is also nothing meaningful in “Intelligent Design” for such a person.
    Someone who can say that there is no practical use in explaining taxonomy or biogeography and so on, and therefore has no interest in evolution, what can one say? But the analogy of design will also have no interest.
    But there is no known alternative to evolutionary explanations for those who are interested in such questions. ID at the most can only find supposed faults in evolutionary explanations, it does not offer anything positive, only that something must happen, something which they cannot or will not describe.

  8. Pope Retiredsciguy notes

    if there’s no evolution, there’s no need for “intelligent design

    No Darwin, no Disco’Tute!

  9. @Rsg: “It will be interesting to hear what Ken Ham has to say about that.”
    Dutch orthodox protestant creacrap site Logos.nl is suspiciously silent. Today it prefers to write about the hot topics “How do I raise children in an era of evolution and Darwinism?” and “Philip Bell [from Creation Ministries International] in The Netherlands to support parents and other child raisers”.

  10. Michael Fugate

    Klinghoffer “blogs” at a site that doesn’t allow comment. Just saying.

  11. It’s obvious why K. says he thinks Turkey’s ban is a bad idea.
    (1) Turkey is a majority-Muslim country, so for its government to ban the teaching of evolution casts a political pall over the efforts of fundamentalist Christians to do the same. Make no mistake: that’s what K. and the rest of the Institutionalized want, adverse court rulings or no. But anything Moose-limbs want is of course tainted.

    (2) Since, Muslim majority aside, Turkey is ruled by an authoritarian government, its decision suggests banning the teaching of Darwinian evolution is somehow opposed to democracy. And how could anyone possibly think that a Christian fundamentalist effort to suppress a generally accepted scientific theory in favor of a fringe alternative on ideological grounds, or to officially compel the teaching of that fringe alternative alongside the accepted theory, could possibly infringe on democracy?

    (3) It undermines efforts by the DI and its allies to present creationism, in the form of “intelligent design,” as a legitimate scientific alternative to evolution which deserves to be taught alongside the mainstream scientific view of life’s origins and history. (See “teach the controversy.”)

    One can only wonder how Klinghoffer et al. would be reacting if a majority-Christian country such as, say, Canada were attempting to make the teaching of evolution illegal as it was in some U.S. states before Epperson v. Arkansas. (Ah, those were the good old days. . . .)