ICR: The Big Bang Causes Suicide

This is from the website of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the granddaddy of all creationist outfits — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom. Their article is The Greatest Story Ever Told?, written by Jake Hebert.

This is ICR’s bio page on Jake. They say he received his Ph.D. in 2011 from the University of Texas and then — the same year! — he “joined ICR in 2011 as a research associate and is currently researching the post-Flood Ice Age, the dating methods used to assign ages to the seafloor sediments and deep ice cores, and cosmology, among other research endeavors.”

Jake’s entire working career has been at ICR. Here are some excerpts from his post, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

A recent American Physical Society newsletter contained an excerpt from physicist Lawrence Krauss’ new book The Greatest Story Ever Told — So Far. In it, Krauss states that for most people there are two great questions: Why is there a universe at all? and Why are we here? He notes that his earlier book A Universe from Nothing (AUFN) addressed the first question and his latest book deals with the second.

Lawrence Krauss is real, so here are the Amazon listings for his two books: The Greatest Story Ever Told–So Far: Why Are We Here? and A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing. Okay, back to Jake. He says:

But a careful reading shows that AUFN [A Universe from Nothing] didn’t actually answer the question of why the universe exists. Rather, it’s a blustery Big Bang apologetic with some snide remarks about theologians and creationists thrown into the mix. The notion advanced in AUFN that the laws of physics alone could create our universe is sheer nonsense. The laws of physics are simply mathematical descriptions of how matter and energy behave. A description cannot do anything at all, let alone create a universe!

Jake knows how the universe was created, and that’s why he knows Krauss is a fool! He tells us:

Krauss claims there is no reason for our existence, that we are merely cosmic accidents. He is quick to suggest that those who believe the universe was created do so not because of overwhelming evidence for design in nature but because such a belief is comforting. Well, that argument can cut both ways. Perhaps Krauss rejects supernatural creation because it’s comforting for him to think that he will not have to one day give an account to his Creator.

Yes, that explains it. Jake continues:

But the issue here is not the value of the universe per se, although it’s hard to see how even the universe itself could have any real value in Krauss’ worldview. The issue is our worth and value as humans. Do we have any value if we are just cosmic accidents?

Good question! What follows looks like a quote from Krauss, but note the ellipsis. This could be an example of quote-mining:

According to Krauss himself, no: “We’re just a bit of pollution … .We’re completely irrelevant.”

Well, it’s undoubtedly true that the universe doesn’t care about us — or anything else. But we care, and that’s what’s important. Jake doesn’t agree. He seems to be horrified that the universe doesn’t care. He says:

And other secularists have discussed the meaninglessness of existence within an evolutionary worldview. Is it any wonder that after reading the writings of Krauss’ fellow atheist Richard Dawkins, some young people have committed suicide?

Wow — young people read this stuff and then commit suicide — this is serious! But don’t worry, Jake has the solution to this problem. It’s in his last paragraph:

Fortunately, there is an antidote for this philosophy of despair. The Lord Jesus Christ is both our Creator and Redeemer. By His death and resurrection, He has conquered death and is even now preparing an eternal, glorious kingdom for those who love Him [scripture references]. Truly, His gospel really is “the greatest story ever told”!

Don’t despair, dear reader. Listen to Jake!

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17 responses to “ICR: The Big Bang Causes Suicide

  1. Ross Cameron

    Post-Flud Ice Age? What post-Flud Ice Age? No mention of any Ice Age in the bible. Here we go again trying to fit a huge foot into a small shoe. Next thing they will be claiming all of science is forecast in prophecy. Expect frequent scrabbling through their book to counter each advance in our knowledge.

  2. Dear Jake, from what cometh your creator? On the backs of and infinite number of turtles?

  3. There have been more than a few suicides after reading the Bible. Jonestown just to name 900 off the top of my head.

  4. …and is currently researching the post-Flood Ice Age

    In order to make this nonsense work one has to misrepresent, distort, or plain ignore a lot of dating methods that all show the same thing: there was no global flood during human history and there was no ice age following that non-existent flood.

    YEC creationists have to use rubber band years in a (failed) attempt to fit everything into 6000 or so years, but because there is no evidence for a global flood in that 6000 years they often end up trying to stretch the non-existent flood back to the K-T boundary 65 million years ago or even to the P-T boundary 250+ million years ago. Rubber band years for sure!

    They have to ignore most of science and all modern dating methods, but it seems they’ll do most anything to support their beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence that shows those beliefs are wrong.

  5. Michael Fugate

    No Darwin No Suicide!

  6. A description cannot do anything at all, let alone create a universe!

    A design cannot do anything at all. A manufacture can use a design, along with raw materials and work to do something in the world of nature. I have no idea about what the rules are for doing something in a supernatural world.

  7. I think it’s still a bit of a stretch from ‘the universe is made by an intelligent entity’ to ‘…which then made humans in the image of his invisible Self and cloned himself to redeem those humans from something they were not at fault for in the first place’, etcetera.

  8. Funny how the teenage suicides where I live are mostly coincident with them being members of the New Life Church.

  9. And for the record, the intelligent designer has a lot to answer for regarding the numerous genetically flawed kids who suffer for years before dying. If he exsists, he is an asshole.
    Sorry, lost an “intelligently designed” kid tonight.

  10. Let me meake a partial defence of Jake Hebert.

    Re: Krauss and AUFN, I think Hebert is right. Krauss argues that our universe is the inevitable consequence of the laws of nature, but he has not shown that those laws themselves are inevitable.

    The “We’re just a bit of pollution” quote is real, but refers to the fact that if all normal matter ceased to exist, dark matter and dark energy will ensure that the overall dynamics of the universe were not much changed. As you say, a mined quote.

    Finally, you say that Hebert has spent all his working life at ICR. The chronology of his bio spells otherwise; 12 years from Masters to PhD. The bio states that (presumably between completing his Masters and beginning his Ph.D.) he taught at high school level. It also says that he taught at University level, but that could merely refer to having served as a teaching assistant during his graduate studies. The bio does not list any “technical publications” in the real scientific literature. At least one probably exists, since that is usually expected of her Ph.D. in the Texas state system, but an attempted literature search found so many L Heberts that it would have taken far too long to check.

  11. My first thought reading this drivel was that I would lay odds (and I don’t generally bet on anything) that a great many more people have committed suicide after reading the holey bubble than the number who have after reading all of Dawkin’s (and Darwin’s and Krauss’) books combined. But I see AR beat me to it.

  12. Is it any wonder that after reading the writings of Krauss’ fellow atheist Richard Dawkins, some young people have committed suicide?

    Assuming there is a hint of truth to this nonsensical statement, as a scientist you would then posit the question do older readers also feel compelled or is this phenomenon just something associated with unstable young folks who do have a nasty tendency of offing themselves? In any case, this particular accident can recognize that Jake is incapable of critical thinking or rational thought on his own. A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste on religion.

  13. Erik John Bertel says: “Assuming there is a hint of truth to this nonsensical statement”

    You might want to look at something we wrote back in 2008: Suicide Blamed on Biology Class and Dawkins’ Book.

  14. Keep in mind, too, there were no suicides anywhere, anytime prior to Darwin writing his books.

  15. jimroberts

    Re. Suicide Blamed on Biology Class and Dawkins’ Book.
    It must have been a terrible shock to the lad to find that not all biology profs are like the one in Chick’s “Big Daddy”.

  16. winewithcats

    Re: AUFN. There’s no need to show that the laws of nature are inevitable. It is sufficient that they exist at all.

  17. Eric Lipps

    “Jake” doesn’t answer his “why” questions any more than, according to him, scientists do.

    If God created the universe, why did He do it? If some sentient being(s) other than the Christian God did it, why did He/She/It/They do so? Verily, the Bible answereth not, neither does it explain; it saith but that God did it.