Almost three years ago we wrote Discovery Institute Says Dogs Are Degenerates, about a post at the Discoveroids’ creationist blog claiming that “the incredible variety of dog breeds, going back in origin several thousand years ago but especially to the last few centuries, represents no increase in information but rather a decrease or loss of function on the genetic and anatomical levels.”
It ended saying: “In truth, for all the undoubted charms of dogs, their breeding is nothing other than degeneration.”
Now they have a follow-up on it. Their latest is No, Your Dog Is Not a Barking Exemplar of Macroevolution. It was written by Klinghoffer. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:
Dogs are yet another evolutionary icon that Jonathan Wells, perhaps in his next book, could handily leash and take for a walk. The idea expressed by Richard Dawkins, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and others is that the descent from a common ancestor with wolves demonstrates not only the power of artificial selection, but by extension that of natural selection to sculpt brand new animals. In other words, your pooch is a barking exemplar of macroevolution.
No, not “macro” evolution. Dogs and wolves can still mate and produce offspring. But evolution nevertheless. In Origin of Species, Darwin started by discussing the variations in plants and animals bred by man, and from that he developed the concept of natural selection. But it’s all evolution. Klinghoffer disagrees. He says:
One problem with this, among others, is that the virtue we value most in our dogs – the ability to form relationships with humans – appears to be no product of their evolution. At least it did not evolve from scratch. Dogs have it, but so, in their way, do wolves.
He’s discussing some research we read about a few days ago at PhysOrg: Human reared wolves found to display signs of attachment and affection towards foster-parents. Wolf pups were able to develop a relationship with the humans who raised them. Klinghoffer thinks this means the end of Darwinism. He declares:
This “affinity” may be more developed in dogs, which is to be expected, but it sounds like the seed is present in wolves. That would suggest it characterized the wild common ancestor of both dogs and wolves that existed 15,000 years ago.
Yes, that’s probably why dogs were first domesticated. The same thing has been demonstrated with foxes — see Russian Domesticated Red Fox. Then he says, with his bracketed addition:
The wolves were not found to be dependent on humans, as dogs are. But this is unsurprising. As geneticist Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig has described, the “evolution” of dogs from wolves “represents no increase in [biological] information but rather a decrease or loss of function on the genetic and anatomical levels” (as we reported here at Evolution News, see “The Dog Delusion”). Meaning no disrespect to them and certainly no lack of affection, but dogs are dependent because they are, in a sense, “degenerate” wolves.
He’s referring to the Discoveroid post we wrote about three years ago, and his expert, Lönnig, is a bit of a creationist. After that authoritative reference, Klinghoffer tells us:
In short, what’s most precious about them was likely there in the pre-dog ancestor. The rest was bred through loss of fitness. All of which is the opposite of what people typically mean when they talk about evolution.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Transforming a wild beast into a domesticated dog isn’t evolution — it’s degeneration. And now we come to the end:
I know, I know – some of this sounds unkind to them. But we love dogs just the same. They are our best friend. What they are not is a legitimate mascot for evolutionary advocates.
So there you are. The Discoveroids still insist that dogs are not the result of evolution — they’re degenerates. Only a fool would use dogs as an example of what selection can do. Nothing is the result of evolution. It’s all about the addition of “information,” something that can only be accomplished by the intelligent designer — blessed be he!
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