AIG: Creation Science and Asteroids

Your Curmudgeon returns from the deluge of hurricane Irma and discovers an article by Andrew Snelling. He’s the creationist geologist employed by Answers in Genesis (AIG), the creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia.

You remember Snelling — he wanted to collect rocks from the Grand Canyon, presumably for his creationist “research.” His request was denied, so he sued the Park Service and others, claiming religious discrimination. Our last post about him was AIG’s Grand Canyon Lawsuit Is Settled. They’re gonna let Andy have his rocks.

He just posted Misunderstood Messengers from Space at the AIG website. It’s a repeat of something he posted on 01 April — Hee hee! — of last year. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

Meteorites are considered leftovers from the solar system’s early creation and conventionally dated at 4.56+ billion years. They have an amazing story to tell, but it has been misunderstood.

Most of Andy’s long article is middle-school level information about meteorites. We’ll skip all of that because virtually any child’s text can do that job. We’ll focus only on his creationist material. He says:

Evolutionists believe asteroids are leftovers from the rotating disk of gas and dust that supposedly formed planets billions of years ago. Creationists, on the other hand, believe the Bible, which reveals that God filled the solar system with these wonderful objects on Day Four of creation, just 6,000 years ago. They expect the evidence to point toward God’s recent creation at a single moment.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! It’s not just “evolutionists” who think that way. It’s everyone who isn’t a creationist — including you, dear reader. But Andy is going to straighten you out. He tells us:

The evidence is in. Meteorites do, indeed, have a date of origin that is similar to rocks at the roots of continents. But a big puzzle remains. The radiometric ages consistently fall around 4.56–4.57 billion years old. How do we reconcile this with the Bible’s timeframe?

Yes, that’s the challenge. Andy continues:

By looking closer at all the evidence, we should be able to demonstrate how radiometric dates must be adjusted to yield the correct dates in line with Scripture.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Andy is going to manipulate the data — he’s gonna squeeze it and squish it until he gets the answers he’s looking for. This is great creation science! Let’s read on:

Creation scientists assume that meteorites were formed after the Creation Week, as a result of collisions in space. … However, no one has actually observed this process. We just see the results — craters on large asteroids, moons, and planets; and meteorites lying on the earth.

[…]

Contrary to what you would intuitively think, geologists did not establish the age of the earth by the radioactive dating of earth rocks. Rather, they dated meteorites. If both were formed at the same time, either one can be dated. But it’s hard to find original rocks on earth because our planet is so dynamic.

We’re skipping a lot. He explains:

God’s eyewitness Genesis account of creation clearly tells us that the earth was created on Day One, and the rest of the solar system was made on Day Four. So we know that the evolutionary disk view [that meteorites condensed from the original disk from which our solar system supposedly evolved.] is wrong. To find the correct interpretation, we need to revise the starting assumptions so they line up with the infallible account in Scripture.

Yes, of course. Creationists know that the “evolutionary” view is wrong. Here’s more

It is not entirely clear from the creation account whether the matter from which the planets and stars were constructed was made on the first or fourth day of creation. It is possible, on the one hand, that the only matter created on Day One of the Creation Week was the matter used to construct the earth—the rest being created on Day Four. On the other hand, it is also possible that God created all the matter of the universe at the beginning of Day One. He then used part of it to fashion the earth on that same day, and reserved the rest to fashion the remainder of the universe on Day Four.

This is so confusing! Was it Day one or Day Four? Andy guides us through the problem:

Either way, the processes God subsequently used to shape and reshape the earth may not have affected the matter He used to form the remainder of the universe. The earth was reshaped on Day Three when God made the dry land — presumably by redistributing and raising the rocky materials that had been under the globe-covering waters on Days One and Two. But the primordial material in space was unaffected from its creation on Day One. God then reshaped the earth again during His later global Flood judgment, again redistributing its rocky materials. This means that such things as radiometric dates on earth rocks might have been affected very differently from rocks from asteroids, the moon, and Mars.

All that flooding undoubtedly affect the rocks’ radioactive properties. After going through some alternative scenarios, Andy says:

So maybe meteorites are messengers from space providing clues about the composition of the original creation. Someday we may be able to use this information to recalibrate all radiometric dates to match their true history, which accords with the Bible’s timetable.

[*Begin Drool Mode*] Ooooooooooooh! [*End Drool Mode*] The true history! He says:

One thing is for sure. Meteorites remind us that the universe is temporary, and life could end at any time. Our only hope is the all-powerful Creator who dwells independently of this universe and controls everything in it.

Yes, that’s for sure! And now we come to the end:

Genesis simply says of His power, “He made the stars also” [scripture reference], as though making the trillions of heavenly bodies was no big deal. And He knows all their names and oversees their movements [scripture reference]. This same Creator God knows the numbers of hairs on our heads [scripture reference], so we can be confident in His care for us, no matter where the next meteorite might fall.

Now you know everything there is to know about asteroids. Isn’t creation science wonderful?

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20 responses to “AIG: Creation Science and Asteroids

  1. If one reads the Bible, the opening verses of Genesis tell us that when God began his creation, there was a wind blowing over water.

  2. So Snelling prefers to think and old myth is correct (although it isn’t too clear on which day the sky fairy built stuff) rather than real data. And he never does get to enlightening us about how he proposes to recalibrate radioactive decay with information from his preferred myth. Maybe he should have payed attention to those middle-school texts Curmudgeon mentions.

  3. I think Snelling’s bloviations are a Category 4 Sh*t Storm.

  4. Megalonyx says: “I think Snelling’s bloviations are a Category 4 Sh*t Storm.”

    Wait ’til you see his findings about the Grand Canyon. This will be revolutionary! It’s the TRVTH that the government tried to suppress. Watch for it in the ultimate peer-reviewed publication — The Time Cube Journal.

  5. Ach. Don’t be disrespecting Gene Ray. Ol’ Gene was NOT a fan of bog standard American fundamentalism. Instead, he invented his own “scientific” religion-thingamajig!

  6. I hadn’t realized there were youtube interviews with Gene Ray. I just tried to watch one, I had to stop as soon as he started talking. Southern drawl combined with crazy is more than I can handle.

  7. I don’t understand how someone chooses which preacher has the one true literal understanding of the Bible after 2000 years of misunderstanding.

  8. Derek Freyberg

    It would be nice to see Dr. Snelling trying this sort of argument when he’s stopped for speeding:
    Someday we may be able to Just use this information my speedometer to recalibrate all radiometric dates your radar gun to match their true history my real speed, which accords with the Bible’s timetable”.

  9. Regardless of which day, one wonders why god left so much debris behind. Not a very neat, orderly creator for being almighty. But his/her/its biological creations are pretty crude too, so at least there’s consistency.

  10. @Derek yessss!. Just like Treehouse of Horror #2:
    Mrs. Krabappel: Well, class the history of our country has been changed again, to correspond with Bart’s answers on yesterday’s test. America was now discovered in 1942 by… ”some guy.” And our country isn’t called America any more. It’s Bonerland.

  11. I enjoy how by labeling everything as part of “evolution” he feels free to disagree with physics, astronomy, and geology. He is just antiscience.

  12. Skeptical Servant

    More AIG Nonsense the world is old period all our evidence shows this but morons like this show they do not know how science works of how we date our world the Bible is not evidence for anything science related I wish AIG would be shut down showing the frauds they are.

  13. Rikki_Tikki_Taalik

    Evolutionists believe asteroids are leftovers from the rotating disk of gas and dust that supposedly formed planets billions of years ago.

    Yeah, who you going to believe? Thousands of years old tales about the Jewish God of War from the desert or your own lying eyes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HL_Tauri

    Just kidding, that’s just a pretty light in the sky to keep the God of War not so bored while it watches the unimaginably massive universe’s super duper minuscule soap opera play out here on earth. Totally not how solar systems form, especially not this one, no sir, nothing to see there, move along.

    As for Curmy and rest of you unbelievers near the top of the comments…

    Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Time Cube

  14. O.K., so impacts took place in the DAZE of Creation. Then much later came the Flud that deposited multiple layers of sediment over the whole Earth. So how come impact craters aren`t filled with unrelated sediment?

  15. Contrary to what you would intuitively think, geologists did not establish the age of the earth by the radioactive dating of earth rocks. Rather, they dated meteorites. If both were formed at the same time, either one can be dated. But it’s hard to find original rocks on earth because our planet is so dynamic.

    But not impossible, and the dates derived for the very oldest are in the 4-billion-year range. As for dating meteorites, that’s not done to establish the age of the earth, but rather to determine that of the solar system.
    If Dr. Snelling can’t tell the difference, then he’s not competent to analyze his pet rocks. But then, we already know this from his blather about “adjusting” the radioactive-dating data to make them fit within his 6,000-year time limit. What he’s looking for, if it were found, wouldn’t just overthrow geology; it would do the same to astronomy, physics and chemistry.
    The whole thing smacks of the Nazi and Soviet efforts to “adjust” science to fit their ideologies.

  16. Ceteris Paribus

    Whoa! Professional geologists use science and sophisticated testing to puzzle out the relative ages of ancient strata. And even then, they fall into two groups – “splitters” and “lumpers”. “Splitters” look at the data, and if it appears there is a sufficient time discontinuity between two samples, they prefer to “split” the results into two separate events. “Lumpers” look at the same data, but if the results seem to be close enough in time that they fall into a single event, they prefer to lump it as a single event.

    We are talking about professionals geologists dealing with specimens that can be thousands to millions of years old.
    But Snelling is going to make his own amazing analysis on the basis of whether his choice of splitting or lumping the data is on the time order of “Tuesday” or “Thursday”?

  17. Our Curmudgeon: “This is so confusing! Was it Day one or Day Four?”

    IF Dr Snelling figures out how to recalibrate all radiometric dates to accord with the Bible’s timetable., a three day variance one way or the other would be an acceptable margin of error.

  18. “God’s eyewitness Genesis account of creation”
    “… is not entirely clear”
    It looks like Andy has a problem with his god.

  19. “To find the correct interpretation, we need to revise the starting assumptions so they line up with the infallible account in Scripture.”

    Or we could revise the starting assumptions so they line up with the infallible account of the Great Green Arkleseizure. That story has at least as much evidence going for it.

    http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure

  20. Charles Deetz ;)

    Maybe and Someday … give away his own uncertainty of any comback to science, why did he even bother writing this?

    So maybe meteorites are messengers from space providing clues about the composition of the original creation. Someday we may be able to use this information to recalibrate all radiometric dates to match their true history, which accords with the Bible’s timetable.