AIG: Ancient Megaliths and the Bible

For your weekend enjoyment, we bring you another splendid example of creation science from Answers in Genesis (AIG) — the ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia.

AIG’s article is titled Uncovering Assumptions at Newgrange, written by Danny Faulkner. Here’s AIG’s biographical information about him. They say he taught physics and astronomy until he joined AIG. His undergraduate degree is from Bob Jones University. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

The winter solstice has a special effect at Ireland’s most famous megalith. An astronomer believes we can use this to recalibrate early dates to match biblical history.

[*Begin Drool Mode*] Ooooooooooooh! [*End Drool Mode*] This is exciting! By the way, according to Wikipedia, Newgrange:

… is a prehistoric monument in County Meath, Ireland, located 8 kilometres (5.0 mi) west of Drogheda on the north side of the River Boyne It was built during the Neolithic period, around 3200 BC, making it older than Stonehenge and the Egyptian pyramids.

Lets see what Danny boy says about these ancient monuments:

Stonehenge is one of literally thousands of the massive stone monuments, called megaliths, that dot the landscape of Europe and other lands. They inspire endless fascination, as we wonder why early people devoted so much labor to these structures. Since their builders left no written records, we must piece together answers based on limited clues. Bible-believing Christians are also interested to fill in these gaps about the spread of human civilization after Noah’s Flood.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Then he reveals a mystery:

One mystery, in particular, puzzles believers. Secular archaeologists assign dates to most of these stone structures of 2500–3000 BC. Solid dates based on multiple lines of evidence are extremely scant prior to the time of Abraham, yet dating radiocarbon in wood or charcoal, when available, sometimes seems to confirm these older dates. That would put these artifacts before the Flood, even though human civilization didn’t spread until well after the Flood (2350 BC, according to the chronological information given in our Bibles). How can Christians reconcile these early dates with the Bible?

Egad! What’s to be done about this problem? Danny tells us:

Clearly something is wrong with radiocarbon dates, but what? As an astronomer who analyzes how humans mark time by the regular movement of celestial bodies, I have long wondered whether different branches of science could work together to solve these questions.

Yes, this mystery must be solved! Danny continues:

If we could somehow find a reliable, independent astronomical way to date stone structures, perhaps we could show how older radiocarbon “dates” must be revised to match these more accurate astronomical dates, which are certain to line up with the Bible’s timeline.

How exciting that would be! We could then begin to revise the radiometric dates in archaeology to match biblical dates. Instead of dates going back tens of thousands of years, we could begin nailing down precisely when people built things between the time of the Tower of Babel and Abraham.

Sounds great, but what’s Danny boy’s plan? Let’s read on:

The problem is that most of these sites have been reworked and disturbed over the centuries, so we can’t be sure the stones line up correctly . . . with one possible exception, Newgrange, in County Meath, Ireland.

Danny goes on and on discussing the details of Newgrange. We know nothing about that megalith, so we’re going to skip his discussion. Moving on to near the end, we’re told:

When reports say that astronomical dates appear to corroborate radiocarbon dates, we need to be cautious. [Hee hee!] The interpretation depends upon many assumptions. If the dates contradict Scripture, we need to reexamine the assumptions. This takes patience and further research of the possibilities. That’s the nature of science and archaeology. Sometimes we have to wait for the development of new high-tech research tools.

Yes, we always have to be sure that those scientists are in agreement with the bible. They haven’t got it right yet, but eventually they will. And now we come to the end:

Christians should continue to take an active interest in uncovering our past and think creatively about ways to overcome the limits of human knowledge. We want to paint a clearer picture of world history and show that it truly aligns with the Bible and glorifies God. We should never fear what we discover. We know that we have much more to learn. By starting with the key eyewitness to world history, the Bible, we take a crucial step in the right direction that others ignore.

So there you are. Danny boy isn’t discouraged by the fact that those secular scientists keep coming up with the wrong conclusions. He knows The Truth, and he’s confident that science will prove he’s right.

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20 responses to “AIG: Ancient Megaliths and the Bible

  1. “We should never fear what we discover.”
    Unless it shows the Bible to be wrong.

  2. Charles Deetz ;)

    So, absolutely ZIP offered as a solution to the dating problem? Good job Danny. About as effective as your solution to the starlight problem. FAIL!

  3. Radiocarbon dating is being challenged because it disproves the bible’s timelines, but almost no creationists have come up with anything beyond “assumptions” on why the radiocarbon method fails to agree with their beliefs.

    On the other hand, radiocarbon agrees with tree rings, varves, corals, speleothems and other annular evidence going back tens of thousands of years to a very high degree. It also agrees with other dating methods, both radiometric and otherwise, where they overlap in time.

    But because it does not agree with the bible its all wrong somehow. That’s creation “science” for you.

  4. Since their builders left no written records,
    How about the Egyptian pyramids?
    And there are plenty of artifacts which are dated to before 2350 BCE. Given that the Flood was strong enough to carve the Grand Canyon, it seems difficult to account for anything human-made surviving.

  5. Danny clearly put forth his biblical “scientific” method:
    “If the dates contradict Scripture, we need to reexamine the assumptions.”

  6. Michael Fugate

    Like the assumption that the earth is 6000 years old? That Danny’s “biblical” dating is accurate?

  7. @Coyote
    When radiocarbon dating was introduced to archeology, it was not automatically accepted. It had to prove its worth. The archeologists did not just accept the word of the physicists.
    And, as you point out, there is a massive agreement among different dating methods well before 10,000 years before the present.
    Has anyone worked out a history of the dispersal of humans from the landing of 8 people in the Middle East to all of Africa, Eurasia, Australia and the Americas in a couple of thousand years?
    And there is still the evidence of astronomy. There are stars which are more than 10,000 light-years distant from Earth.

  8. MF – “Like the assumption that the earth is 6000 years old?”

    Blinding lack of self-awareness seems to be the defining characteristic of the fundie mind.

  9. Skeptical Servant

    More nonsense the world is old period there are other things than carbon dating that show the world is old and besides the global flood is pure bs they use pseudoscience because it goes against there beliefs and last time I check know were it says how old the world is in the Bible.

  10. Many of the stones are written records. The writing as along the edges of the stones, in a transcription of the Latin alphabet that most linguists know as “Ogham”. I believe that most of them have been read by competent people (I know, that leaves out the AIG crowd.).

  11. The oldest written records that we can read today are the Egyptian hieroglyphics and Mesopotamian cuneiform, about 3100-3000 BCE or so, maybe as old as 3400 BCE.
    The writing of the Indus Valley of about 2600 BCE cannot be read.

  12. TomS says: “The oldest written records that we can read today are the Egyptian hieroglyphics and Mesopotamian cuneiform, about 3100-3000 BCE or so, maybe as old as 3400 BCE.”

    Impossible! According to the Ussher chronology, the Flood was in 2348 BC. Older records can’t exist.

  13. If we could somehow find a reliable, independent astronomical way to date stone structures, perhaps we could show how older radiocarbon “dates” must be revised to match these more accurate astronomical dates, which are certain to line up with the Bible’s timeline.

    And if they don’t (and they won’t), what then? The “more accurate astronomical dates” are wrong too?

    At least Danny has admitted that “we” don’t have “a reliable, independent astronomical way to date stone structures.” Frankly, I don’t think it’s possible, except where it can be shown that the structures were built to mark specific astronomical phenomena which can be dated by other methods.

  14. Our SC brings up the old man Usher. Well, I read a story about the falling of his house so why should I bother to listen to any crap from this Usher clown?
    Yes, I intended this to be sarcastic. I do not accept the holly buy-bull except as a collection of old middle Eastern myths/fables.

  15. TomS notes that “the Flood was strong enough to carve the Grand Canyon.” Sure, but it was also gentle enough to not carve out a Grand Canyon everywhere else in North America.

  16. Jim Roberts and Eric Lipps – got it in one!

    WTF was the point of that article? Do you think they realise that they’ve just opened pandora’s box?

    Are they starting their own research program into Newgrange? Hmm, nope. Did they have any ideas how they will measure the age of Newgrange? Um, nope. But rest assured that one day we’ll be able to prove that it lines up with the Bible. But in the meantime, it stands out like a beacon that it does NOT line up with the Bible and they have no explanation for it.

    There must be dozens of similar examples. SC, is there a list somewhere, or perhaps we could do our own stocktake?

  17. If Danny Faulkner could apply the same contortions to his spine, he’d be working in a circus.

  18. @tedinoz
    In the Wikipedia article “Megalith” there is a short list of European megaliths by chronology:

  19. I knew a couple that went to Bob Jones Univ. They had been dating for 7 years and holding hands (once) was the only physical contact they had ever had.
    That place is scary.

  20. Michael Fugate

    [Bob Jones Sr.] recalled that, his friend William Jennings Bryan had leaned over to him at a Bible conference service in Winona Lake, Indiana, and said, “If schools and colleges do not quit teaching evolution as a fact, we are going to become a nation of atheists.”
    Wikipedia article on Bob Jones Sr.

    Interesting that Bob was also a segregationist and received support from the Klan. Claimed it was biblical, no less.

    One of my high school English teachers had a degree from BJU, but she had recovered by the time I was in her classes.